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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:46:03 +0000
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:28:18 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:48:20 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> HarryLime wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> she came from California.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was in a dream
>>>>>>>>>>>> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> from out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We talked
>>>>>>>>>>>> a really detached situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She said years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so shy
>>>>>>>>>>>> she thought I was gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I would think of her.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a couple of puns
>>>>>>>>>>>> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But her softness in tone
>>>>>>>>>>>> made me feel all right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> is get in contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good to see....
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again, as I was telling Mummy Chunk, in 1982 when writing these
>>>>>>>>>> poems I
>>>>>>>>>> was highly influenced by 1950s Beat poets and 1980s punk rockers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So please excuse the foul language.
>>>
>>>>>>>> We were just having some fun, kissing and making out, as the young
>>>>>>>> people used to call it.
>>>
>>>>>>> That's not how it's depicted in your poem,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it is, Pendleton, you simply choose to misrepresent the content.
>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps you should consider rewriting it so that your "make out" session
>>>>>>> didn't take place 30 seconds after
>>>
>>>>>> You're mistaken, Pendragon, it didn't happen that quickly.
>>>
>>>>>>> you bumped into this woman you barely
>>>>>>> knew (and whose name you couldn't remember),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was over forty years ago, so yes, I confess that I've forgotten her
>>>>>> name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your poem doesn't say that you'd forgotten over the 40 ensuing years,
>>>>> Donkey.
>>>>>
>>>>> It says that you didn't know her name at the time, and that even after
>>>>> she'd told it to you -- twice -- you immediately forgot it.  This
>>>>> implies that you didn't see her as a person, but entirely as an object
>>>>> (a "hole").
>>>>>
>>>>> You also derisively note that she sounded "spacey" -- revealing that her
>>>>> personality was inconsequential to your desires.  You wanted a "hole,"
>>>>> and she was there.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> or in response to her
>>>>>>> saying that when you were in high school together, she thought that you
>>>>>>> were gay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, obviously she could see this wasn't true.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about that, Donkey.  Back then you were skinny as a rail,
>>>>> sporting a white boy afro, and perpetually wearing a pair of dark shades
>>>>> (even indoors and at night).
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That way the only offensive thing would be your
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize to all who were offended by the graffic depiction of our
>>>>>> somewhat tame romantic encounter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you realize that your "apology" is redirecting the blame on your
>>>>> readers?  You're sorry if *they* chose to be offended by your "tame
>>>>> romantic encounter."
>>>>>
>>>>> Readers find it offensive because:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) the girl appears to be either still in high school, or just out of
>>>>> it,
>>>>> 2) you make it appear as if you barely knew her,
>>>>> 3) couldn't bother remembering her name after she'd told it to you,
>>>>> 4) kissed and groped her without her consent (to prove that you weren't
>>>>> gay,
>>>>> 5) described your "romantic" in crude, impersonal, dehumanizing terms "I
>>>>> put my finger to her hole."
>>>>>
>>>>> Try apologizing for what you wrote (and apparently actually did in real
>>>>> life), and not because you think your readers are easily offended.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> misogynistic/objectifying reference to "her hole."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I did apologize to those who were offended by the foul language,
>>>>>> and have explained that the writing style was influenced by Best poetry
>>>>>> and punk rock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And so it goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> See above.  The language ("hole") is probably the least offensive part
>>>>> of your poem
>>>>
>>>> In your ignorant and conservative opinion, you mean.
>>>
>>> Did you mean to say "ignorant,"
>>
>> Yes, sorry, that was an autocorrect typo.
>>
>> It happens to all of us sometimes.
>
> Some of us more than others, n'est-ce pas?
>
>
>>> My opinion is hardly conservative,
>>
>> It seems to be, you seem like a rather uptight prude.
>
> Not at all, Donkey.
>
> I wasn't exactly living the life of a monk, either.
>
> I just didn't engage in, or approve of, sexual assault.
>
>
>>> post-"Me Too" era where sexual assault is finally being openly
>>> recognized for what it is.
>>
>> And what it was not in my poem.
>
> It may have been nothing more than a make out session in real life, but
> in your poem, it's depicted as a sexual assault.
>
>
>>>> Compared to the writings of Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg and
>>>> Charles Bukowski and the punk rock lyrics of Sex Pistols and The Clash
>>>> my poetry is definitely pretty tame.
>>>
>>> Good for you
>>
>> Just stating the facts about what things were like in the New Wave and
>> punk rock scene in Atlanta Georgia, May 8th 1982 was like, Pendragon.
>
> In 1982 I graduated from high school and joined the Navy.  I think it's
> safe to say that I had I was familiar with similar scenes during that
> particular era.
>
>
>>> So you didn't hold a knife to her throat
>>
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