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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Any honest person that knows the x86 language can see... predict correctly Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 12:34:38 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: <4a18abcd6c82cd82bc47d34baafd45246c4e10ef.camel@gmail.com> References: <v887np$gl15$1@dont-email.me> <v8a2j5$u4t6$1@dont-email.me> <v8asse$12hr3$2@dont-email.me> <v8aukp$12grj$1@dont-email.me> <v8b00m$12ojm$1@dont-email.me> <v8bchs$15ai5$1@dont-email.me> <v8bh32$15une$1@dont-email.me> <d89f03c5a605f010ec3c83c50137b983dc85848e@i2pn2.org> <v8bl2j$16ibk$2@dont-email.me> <tiuiaj5jf0jqcfcfntko5hufisp8mb93bm@4ax.com> <v8bu91$18b7k$2@dont-email.me> <ddb7a467da20b6a6bd90aee9735a62ae68cac50e.camel@gmail.com> <v8f0ni$204k7$1@dont-email.me> <c27d1515dc37261302985fc014ea04b6fce872b6.camel@gmail.com> <v8f2lq$20ius$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 06:34:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4f91746ee1106b7df02c97c2d5328149"; logging-data="2116070"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19hg1X4wIVCQTEgZEukCi4y" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+w/BXRxBq2GmaEEkTURH0bd8vbE= In-Reply-To: <v8f2lq$20ius$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3782 On Wed, 2024-07-31 at 23:24 -0500, olcott wrote: > On 7/31/2024 11:03 PM, wij wrote: > > On Wed, 2024-07-31 at 22:51 -0500, olcott wrote: > > > On 7/31/2024 10:08 PM, wij wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2024-07-30 at 18:50 -0500, olcott wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > It is not supposed to be a general solution to the halting proble= m. > > > > > it only shows how the "impossible" input is correctly determined > > > > > to be non halting. > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > But how do you determine it is non-halting? > > > >=20 > > > > As I know you are even unable to define what 'halt' mean !!! > > > >=20 > > > I have done this thousands of times and after someone > > > has read these thousands of times they say that I never > > > said it once. > > >=20 > > > void DDD() > > > { > > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HHH(DDD); > > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 return; > > > } > > >=20 > > > int main() > > > { > > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HHH(DDD); > > > } > > >=20 > > > If DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly > > > reach its return instruction then it never halts. > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > That's right, HHH(DDD) as shown should never halt. > >=20 >=20 > <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates= its input D > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 until H correctly determines that its simulated = D would never > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 stop running unless aborted then >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 H can abort its simulation of D and correctly re= port that D > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specifies a non-halting sequence of configuratio= ns. > </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >=20 >=20 > > But The Halting Problem asks HHH to return 1 or 0 (so to speak, because= you > > don't know the detail). > >=20 > > Since HHH does not return 1 or 0 to answer the question, it is not a de= cider. > > You are dealing with POO Problem. > >=20 >=20 GUR says the halting problem is undecidable. You can pull your god to support your claim (like DJT?) again, but GUR says= it won't work.