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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Newton: Photon falling from h meters increase its energy. Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 17:16:51 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <4af374770bb67b6951ef19c75b35fbad@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3133202"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$5FiTKZ5XCByjnU4TUqgWaODca0uSxRu1OZTwMHwklIcZBkP900896 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 Bytes: 2065 Lines: 40 Under Newton, a photon has gravitational mass m, for which it's affected by gravity. 1) A photon with energy E, falling under gravity effects from height h, increases its energy by an amount ΔE = +mgh Using the equivalence m = E/c^2, its energy when it reaches ground is E + ΔE: E + ΔE = E (1 + gh/c^2) Using Planck's equivalence E = hf, it gives f + Δf = f (1 + gh/c^2) Then, under Newton, the frequency change is Δf/f = +gh/c^2 The frequency of the photon increase by falling, and is blue-shifted. On the other way around, if a photon is escaping from ground, at an height h its frequency has decreased by Δf/f = -gh/c^2 (red-shifted) ****************************************************** No relativity here. Only requires to accept the existence of gravitational mass and a given equivalence mass-energy. Von Soldner worked around this by 1801, with the deflection of light by gravity. It took Planck to appear 100 years later to relate energy and frequency, plus Poincaré's equivalence mass-energy that appeared on the recoil of his "light cannon" around 1898. Where is relativity left after this?