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On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:46:08 +0000, clams casino wrote:

> On 11/24/2024 3:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 21:27:32 +0000, D wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Carol wrote:
>>>
>>>> D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> My Solar panels are SILFAB.  A joint project between USA and Canada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.allamericanmade.com/solar-panels-made-in-usa/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I list that because a lot of people say 'solar is all Chinese crap'.
>>>>>> No it isn't and hasn't been for a long time.  Computer chips for
>>>>>> cars may be a problem but we have the gear still to make them and
>>>>>> the experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the solar supply chains and raw materials? Are those also
>>>>> under US control?
>>>>
>>>> We are talking production of materials to something needed.  Twist if
>>>> you want but that isn't normally considered when a country brands an
>>>> item as 'made in (insert country)' and you know it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about the security of the supply chain, and that we must
>>> make
>>> sure as little money as possible ends up in china. It has nothing to do
>>> with twisting and everything to do with building a prosperous and rich
>>> USA
>>> and a weak and imploding china! =)
>>
>> The reality is that most Americans aren't interested in manufacturing
>> jobs. They aren't really interested in doing most jobs unless they are
>> well paid. That's where the immigrants come in.
>>
>> I don't know how things are in your country but this country has always
>> relied on immigrants for cheap labor most of us wouldn't touch. That
>> would be like building America's railroad or working in Hawaiian
>> plantations.
>>
>> We don't need the Chinese to lay the railroad tracks or work our fields
>> but immigrants are still an important part of the American economy. They
>> do the jobs we don't want. They pay payroll taxes and sales tax. They
>> try to avoid contact with the services available to most American tax
>> payers. They try to remain invisible.
>>
>> America will never be prosperous and rich while exploiting the poor and
>> powerless. Today, it's the immigrants, tomorrow it will be the poor and
>> elderly Americans, and our educational system. You can take that to the
>> bank.
>
> +1
>
> Let's just be real, we're slavers by corporate proxy - every one of
> those Venezuelans we free debit-carded up here is in no position to ever
> have a reasonable share of the American "dream".
>
> They'll live stacked like cord wood in aging motel apartments, work
> until their bodies fail them, then become casualties of corporate greed
> and exploitation.
>
> The children they have will benefit from an education but likely end up
> in our military as few other options await them coming out of our public
> screwls.
>
> Literally the most humane thing we can do for all of us is embrace
> robotized labor and start evening the economic playing field to the
> point it comprises a workingman's safety net.
>
> Sounds vaguely socialistic, but it need not be.
>
> We just need to incentivize meaningful life skills and quit tax-breaking
> breeding incentives.
>
> If we mostly wink out due to under-population so much more the
> opportunity for those left.
>
> That includes the animal kingdom, which is self-regulating in ways that
> we find distasteful.

My brother used to spend his summer working for Dole on Lanai picking
pineapples. I guess a lot of kids did that. They got housing and fed and
God knows what the hell they did during their off times. He seemed to
enjoy it.

These days, Lanai is owned by a rich tech dude. I was doing some work on
the island some years ago. There's not many people there. The rich guy
built a couple of resorts there. I saw some pictures of it - quite
strange! The resorts were empty. I got a chance to talk with some of the
locals. They're just glad that somebody dumped some money on their laps.

I can see the island as a playground of the rich and famous, You could
fly there and nobody would know. The locals won't hassle you because
they're not into celebrity doings. It's kind of like the perfect set-up
if you're a famous guy and just want to vacation in peace.