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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: A research team has managed to coordinate 100 domestic air conditioners to stabilise the power grid in real time, as if they were a flexible power plant. Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 16:48:37 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4e2s4k1n9o8534uh5ff43iumv27a262rfe@4ax.com> References: <8790ilx0bl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <596r4k98hrbr3j5brdk3oe8rq7rdmvcing@4ax.com> <102ke8c$bdv0$1@dont-email.me> <o2pr4kpjm33e1gndq9261kqh3frbtces3d@4ax.com> <jk71ilxjqj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 01:48:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cc4bc2d2036b61cb58687397b1c35c39"; logging-data="526498"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/aL1rnXr46sGB6fNsT0yht" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:BcxoFYftCWfoZnix9DpQ2xnlXeA= On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:53:55 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2025-06-14 23:17, john larkin wrote: >>> Nowhere in the post does it say that air conditioners are generating >>> power...the reduction of fuel use is due to increased efficiency of >>> power usage. >> Improving efficiency by load shedding means hotter homes. Why not just >> mandate that no thermostats can go below 80F? > >That's not what they are doing. They are changing the load in tiny parts >of the cycle, 50 or 60 times per second. Changing the load waveform. That's just power factor adjustment. It doesn't generate power when the renewables slack off. Seems like it would increase transformer losses too. 100 is a tiny sample size.