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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 23:57:15 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <4f41f0654f1bf146d377f095db506eac4fd4ade7@i2pn2.org> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vh76bi$3bnde$1@dont-email.me> <d90452a5-965b-443f-9146-96cdf9b3906c@att.net> <vh8ft0$3jqb5$3@dont-email.me> <vh8g5e$3juug$1@dont-email.me> <vh8otd$3lhlt$2@dont-email.me> <vhb1is$6hbv$2@dont-email.me> <vhb1mu$6hbv$4@dont-email.me> <vhb32t$7ese$1@dont-email.me> <vhch7n$hge9$2@dont-email.me> <vhcieh$jjk5$1@dont-email.me> <vhcjg5$hdd4$3@dont-email.me> <vhckkh$k32g$1@dont-email.me> <vhcp0r$hge9$6@dont-email.me> <vhd7d7$nt37$1@dont-email.me> <vhd9lq$obb0$1@dont-email.me> <vhdl0k$qltl$1@dont-email.me> <vhfqcv$1adld$1@dont-email.me> <vhfso7$1bik6$1@dont-email.me> <vhg0h8$1adlc$4@dont-email.me> <vhgd9j$1eq8t$1@dont-email.me> <vhgebm$1eu67$2@dont-email.me> <vhgfo7$1f8j9$1@dont-email.me> <vhiak4$1sjsn$2@dont-email.me> <vhif57$1u588$1@dont-email.me> <vhkj7j$25fe$2@dont-email.me> <vhkqv3$4jv7$1@dont-email.me> <vhl426$5tug$1@dont-email.me> <9d4dc4f3d8ff959e24038b079ae3b103a4bdb441@i2pn2.org> <vhla90$7jan$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 23:57:15 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3418900"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3362 Lines: 31 Am Wed, 20 Nov 2024 19:37:20 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 20.11.2024 19:12, joes wrote: >> Am Wed, 20 Nov 2024 17:51:19 +0100 schrieb WM: >>> On 20.11.2024 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> WM explained on 11/20/2024 : >>>>> set theory claims that all natural numbers can be counted to such >>>>> that no successors remain. >>>> No it doesn't. >>> Even all rationals and algebraics. >>> "we get the epitome (ω) of all real algebraic numbers [...] and with >>> respect to this order we can talk about the nth algebraic number where >>> not a single one of this epitome has been forgotten" >>> "The infinite sequence thus defined has the peculiar property to >>> contain the positive rational numbers completely, and each of them >>> only once at a determined place" >> You are once again lacking in precision: > It was Cantor who said the above. There is no lack of precision. You misunderstood him. I don't see anything about successors. >> every natural is finite and thus countable. > According to Cantor there is no number missing, let alone infinitely > many. Numbers "missing" is meaningless. What did you mean to say here? > Set theory claims that all natural numbers can be counted to such > that no successors remain. That is false. Obviously. There is no end to the successors such that you are done counting them after some finite number. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.