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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Job Offer
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:36:30 -0400
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as 
>>>>>>>>>> they don't
>>>>>>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
>>>>>>>>>>     []'s
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death 
>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are 
>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. 
>>>>>>>The dialectic is eternal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, 
>>>>>>>knout, secret police or what have you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be 
>>>>>>>pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal 
>>>>>>>more with a pen than a gun."  The modern applications of 
>>>>>>>that usually start with, "For the children...".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
>>>>>>who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
>>>>>>right and proper that he does so.
>>>>>
>>>>>Never mind governments... in any group.
>>>>>Frankie???
>>>>
>>>>It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone
>>>>with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to
>>>>matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
>>>>voluntary as in social groups.
>>>>
>>>>I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
>>>>followers to make them feel important.
>>>>
>>>>It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I
>>>>need to feel important, so follow me."
>>>
>>>Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances. 
>>>
>>>Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply
>>>because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
>>>the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
>>>the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably
>>>not spoken is understood by both parties.
>>
>>"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
>>and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but
>>that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
>
>	Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
>One of the first things you learn in medicine.
>	Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
>poor today as they were when they took office......
>	Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
>life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last
>days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in
>Brazil.
>	Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
>character in a  rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
>power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
>	[]'s

Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.

--
C'est bon
Soloman