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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base?
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 06:49:59 +0000
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On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 16:07:20 -0500, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

>Martin Harran wrote:
>> I don't know if you are still reading this but in case you are, I
>> thought of you today when I read this in a religious newsletter that I
>> subscribe to:
>> 
>> "Only the silliest of scientists would think they could find God in
>> the world or prove that God does not exist. Existence is a property of
>> things within the world. Pose the matter in those terms, and you might
>> as well admit, God does not exist.
>
>
>Very sensible.  My non-belief is not founded in any scientific 
>discovery, evolutionary or otherwise.  It arose before I had more than 
>the foggiest idea of evolution, and long before I studied cosmology. And 
>of course I know Christians who are better informed on evolution or 
>cosmology than I ever was or will be.
>
>Mind you, if after thousands of years of investigation we had no idea 
>how anything worked, if the "gaps" were vast and unshrinking, I might 
>reconsider.
>
>I can't recall the last time any scientist used his discipline to argue 
>against the existence of gods.  

Richard Dawkins, Jerry Coyne, Sam Harris ....

Not that I think any of them had any lasting impact; I got the
impression they were really just preaching to their own choir with few
new converts.


>But I still see arguments that the 
>nature of reality conflicts with the claimed nature of one or more gods.

It sems to me that most of that comes from the religious side, not the
science side. People like MarkE who just can't get their head around
science being the *how* and religion being the *why*.

>
>On the other side Tertullian commented that if Marcion had contemplated 
>the beauty of a flower he'd have abandoned his whole theology.  Marcion 
>no longer being alive at this point, he couldn't reply with the 
>countless rebuttals available to him so we don't know how Tertullian 
>reconciled birth defects with his god of flowers.
>
>One can waste infinite time on either side of this discussion.
>
>William Hyde
>