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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:15:14 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:20:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon Aug 26 12:50:20 2024 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:14:35 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >The strongest long bow I ever saw had a draw of 80 lbs and I can't imagine 100 lb pull. You have to hold the string hooked over your middle three fingers and how the hell do you hold 100 lbs that way? Not to mention what it would do to your other wrist. Bows might have been long distance weapons but most people used spears.
>>> 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow#Training>
>>> "Although the draw weight of a typical English longbow is disputed, it
>>> was at least 81 pounds-force (360 newtons) and possibly more than 130
>>> lbf (600 N). Considerable practice was required to produce the swift
>>> and effective combat shooting required. Skeletons of longbow archers
>>> are recognisably affected, with enlarged left arms and often
>>> osteophytes on left wrists, left shoulders and right fingers."
>
>>Meaning, as usual, I was correct and you rooted arouund for any POSSIBLE esception.
>
>I don't see how what I wrote proves your point.  A little detail
>explaining what you're talking about, would be helpful.  Incidentally,
>nice comma splice between two unrelated comments.  What does my
>searching for contradictory evidence to disprove your claims have to
>do with you be correct?  What I do has no effect on the validity of
>your claims.
>
>>Well, there's no question that people were MUCH smaller in those 
>>days and pulling 130 lbs would have been impossible.
>
>So you say.  Got any citations that confirm that 130 lbs pull would be
>impossible for short people?
>
>>I shot long bows and you have done nothing, as usual. You have 
>>no idea of what it is like to shoot a long bow.
>
>Got any photos of you and your long bow?  Also, what was the maker and
>model of your alleged long bow?  If you want make amazing claims, a
>little corroboration would be helpful.
>
>I have "done nothing"?  I have an old (1960's vintage) Ben Pearson
>fiberglass bow in excellent condition, except that there's no model
>number marking.  I suspect it might have been either a very early
>model or a prototype.  I bought it when I started college to practice
>for an archery class.  I shoot left handed and the college didn't have
>any appropriate bows.  The measured length when strung matches the
>model 335 but might be an earlier model:
><https://www.archerytalk.com/attachments/ben-pearson-337-04-jpg.4826826/>
><https://cornellpubs.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/6057.jpg>
>It's a little difficult to string, but I managed.  I used my Balanzza
>luggage scale to measure the 25" pull at 35 lbs.  Unfortunately, I
>couldn't find my assortment of arrows.  I'll keep looking.  Photos
>when I find them and the other accessories.
>
>While my bow is not even close to a long bow, it does demonstrate that
>I know a little about bows and archery.  I certainly have no idea what
>it's like to shoot a long bow.  

Tommy is a special case :-)

But there are a number of articles, some in living color, regarding
shooting a 100 Lb. pull bow. Most of them seem to be British folk so I
assume that archery is more commonly practiced there then in the U.S.
Perhaps  because English history reaches all the way to the period
when bows and arrows equaled the AR-15 in killing power :-)

Wandering around on the Internet the other day I found a post by our
very own Tom dated 2003. Can you imagine it? Nearly a quarter of a
century of being "a  rude and obnoxious, always carping while offering
no useful information." (as described by Jobst Brandt)
-- 
Cheers,

John B.