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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: DeepBlue <dan.koren@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings Subject: Re: What is the reason for this piano duo =?UTF-8?B?bGF5b3V0Pw==?= Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2025 22:36:09 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <511edf70b86750c2cc68be643cfd329b@www.novabbs.com> References: <71a12235f2ee60320795199f621572e8@www.novabbs.com> <vst7ld$334o4$1@paganini.bofh.team> <2581c86a278b6d5e6d13a16515c445fc@www.novabbs.com> <vsu9cb$34piu$1@paganini.bofh.team> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3436275"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="+LX6U+QEdxmX65G/ioNLHVfhXMvuBu5fNOpF5omT0G8"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$i1Uxh2/ZEO9Sgxj12a4wG.a5E0LtD/Ssf8qgzf9rZrk2ks.JyO4mO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: 9e00570fb1895deee7851c86c763dbf872b2557c On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 16:16:10 +0000, PPeso wrote: > On 4/6/2025 4:45 AM, DeepBlue wrote: >> One does not have to be a strict literalist. I >> actually prefer D.940 to be performend on 2 >> pianos rather than 4 hands on one piano. > > No literalism involved. Schubert never wrote for > two pianos, always for 4 hands, and quite simply > he knew better. How is this not "strict literalism", and how did he know "better"? Today's instruments are nothing like the pianoforti and the fortepiani of his time. Could any compawsers living in those times have imagined the sound of a 9' Boisendorfer, Fazioli, or Yamaha? Concert venues were also much smaller than today's. > At the very least, the biggest difference is obviously > the approach to pedaling, centralized with 4 hands and > decentralized with two pianos. I very much prefer to hear different sound, different color palettes, and different expression and phrasing from the two pianists rather than a homogenuous sound mix. To my ears the latter is more bland. Here is an exampla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J2WyyF_t2I This is a blandissimo as blandissimo can be. In piano duets I like to hear two distinct individuals rather than a four handed pianist. The link I posted earlier to a Martha Argerich + Mikhail Pletnev live perfornabce is a perfect example of what I like in this work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH3EjKOqSmA By comparison the Jussen brothers sound like a sewing machine. They cannot even make it sound like two sewing machines! ;-) > Then again, no worries if one prefers a transcription > to the real thing. How again is this not "strict literalism"? A performance of a 4 hand piano work on 2 pianos is not a transcription unless the score has been modified. If one followed your reasoning to its logical conclusion performing the work on any instrumenti that are however different from Franz' spinet would create a "transcription". > Today is national carbonara day and many restaurants > make it with pancetta rather than guanciale, far from > optimal but de gustibus non disputandum est. Except this is not kosher and there is no room for debate! Cheers!