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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 15:06:24 -0400
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On 7/6/24 2:37 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/6/2024 1:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 7/6/24 1:59 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2024 9:53 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/24 11:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 7/5/2024 6:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then ADMIT an error rather then say someone else is wrong because 
>>>>>> you didn't say what you meant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It takes many revisions to precisely state my intuitions.
>>>>> Every one is less than perfect. They keep getting better.
>>>>
>>>> But, you refuse to acknoledge that you previous statements were 
>>>> errors, but accuse people of lying because they took you at your words.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is/was incorrect for me to call people liars when
>>> they disputed the exact meaning of my prior less than
>>> accurate words and they only disputed this on the basis
>>> of the less than accuracy.
>>
>> Then why do you continue to do so?
>>
> I am unconvinced that I ever did this.

Which just shows your utter lack or morals or scrupals, and the total 
falibility of your memory.

Just look at comp.theory, and how many message YOU STARTED have subject 
implying others are liars.

> 
>> The mere
>>
>>>
>>> That is not what is happening on the other set of threads.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True on the basis of its verbal meaning isn't a thing in formal 
>>>>>>>> system, so not a Tautology, unless you mean by "verbal meaning" 
>>>>>>>> the meaning assigned to the term in the system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Se that I have to update it again because I am fallible.
>>>>>>> Did you know that the Gnostic Demiurge concept of God is fallible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that Gnosticism is just a heresy that is inconsistent, and 
>>>>>> thus not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It is a notion of God as an ordinary human that also was the
>>>>> sole creator. Ultimately only an omniscient being could make
>>>>> the 100% reliable call on this.
>>>>
>>>> But such a God could not do what he did.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again my less than accurate words.
>>> A being that has no more knowledge than a human creates
>>> the universe by first creating/discovering light from
>>> what is otherwise silences and darkness.
>>
>> But is that probable, or even possible.
>>
> Again the key issue is that someone that is essentially
> a fallible human does this.

And, how can that happen?

Where did they come from to be able to do that?

> 
>> That is one of your failings, you imgaine something that maybe jus 
>> tmight be possible, (even if it isn't) and assume it is.
>>
> The only actual impossibilities are logical impossibilities.
> The strangest logically possible thing is that a real live
> two dimensional Bugs Bunny knocks on your door.

So, where does the failible human come from that created the universe?

> 
>>>
>>> Complete darkness so very gradually becomes pure white
>>> light that it takes a long long time for this being to
>>> notice the change.
>>>
>>> Later on this being imagines a flat surface that is
>>> perpendicular to their own frame-of-reference and
>>> decides to push the top of this flat surface backwards
>>> so that it forms a 45 degree angle. This is how the
>>> third dimension to space could have been created.
>>>
>>> A very long time later this being decides that they
>>> want to forget that they did this and they condition
>>> themselves to get out of the habit of using their power.
>>>
>>> The essence of all of this is explained in the great book.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/What-Are-You-Doing-Universe/dp/0878770658
>>>
>>> The original version of this book tells the reader that they
>>> themselves are the one and only creator of the universe.
>>> The library of congress classifies this book as possible truth
>>> Philosophical Anthropology Miscellanea
>>>
>>> Later versions of this book have an identical body yet come with
>>> the caveat this this is a possible truth not a declared fact.
>>
>> And by promoting such ideas, you show that you do not believe in the 
>> actual all powerful God that did create the univesre, and thus whe it 
> 
> I have long since fully understood that beliefs and
> disbelief are lies that we tell ourselves. They are
> lies because they close the mind to additional information.

No, you have fallen for the lie that real truth doesn't exist.

> 
>> comes time for the judgement of your life, you will be found lacking 
>> in the faith needed to redeam you from your failings, and thus spend 
>> your eternity seperated from him, in the place, best described in 
>> human terms, as the eternal fires of Hell.
>>
> Faith is not the same thing as the mere presumption that
> beliefs often are. Faith is the substance of things hoped for
> not the presumption that we are correct thus others are wrong.

Right, but since you do not have a faith in the actual creator of the 
universe, you are unable to avail yourself of his grace to let you have 
the relationship you need with him, so will forever be outside of him.

You may not belevie that now, but if you honestly look at the outcome of 
your beliefs and your life, you should be able to see that they don't 
have any better foundation. I KNOW that what I believe is true, because 
I have put it to the test, and he has proven himself faithful.

> 
>> If you are not convinced, which is the more likely origin of the 
>> world, and which decision has the more impact on what you should do.
>>
> I am testing the hypothesis that I was deceived by Satan.
> 
> Every translation of the bible agrees that God himself would
> be this deceiver.

Nope.

> 
> For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to 
> believe what is false,
> https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Thessalonians%202:11

Read the context. Man because of our sin, can not directly see God at work.

> 
> I have ALWAYS only wanted what-ever the truth turns out to be
> even if everyone in the universe disagrees.

But you ignore that truth when it shows itself to you.
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