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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Babel
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:55:09 -0700
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On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:44:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>>>> Tim Illingworth <tim@smofs.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains.  Russia =
has
>>>>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has =
not.
>>>>>
>>>>>> December 1814 not count?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you mean August of that year.  More recently there was an
>>>>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863.
>>>>
>>>> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol =
building
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on =
whether
>>>> you define the invaders as US citizens or not.  Since the war was =
about
>>>> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to=
 define
>>>> them as rebellious citizens.  My Confederate-supporting high school =
history
>>>> teacher would not do so, however.
>>>>
>>>>> Some might also count January 2021.  Is it an invasion of all
>>>>> participants were US citizens?  One person there was carrying the
>>>>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was =
probably
>>>>> just confused.
>>>>
>>>> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness =
doesn't.
>>>
>>> Agreed, insurrection is not invasion.
>>=20
>> I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this.
>>=20
>> Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has
>> been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see
>> which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake?
>>=20
>> As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as
>> many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift
>> Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason,
>> pure and simple.
>>=20
>> The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted
>> authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for
>> President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although
>> they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State,
>> after all.
>
>With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot=20
>be barred but everyone else can be.  :P

That's not what they ruled so far -- for purely local offices, at
least.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"