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From: George J. Dance@novabbs.com (George J. Dance)
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Subject: Re: NastyGoon lifts a line
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 13:21:49 +0000
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:07:23 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka
"HarryLime" wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 17:28:45 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 0:04:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here are the opening lines of NancyGene's latest poem:
>>>>
>>>> "Yesterdays stack up like piles of read newspapers,
>>>> Cluttering my mind and obstructing my day."
>>>>
>>>> That's poetry of the highest quality.
>>>
>>> The opening line is very good. It's almost as good as the opening line
>>> of Robert Creeleys poem, "The Days Pile Up":
>>>
>>> "The days pile up like unread newspapers,"
>>>
>>> I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
>>> something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism".
>>
>> Note that George Dance didn't make any accusations, only an observation.
>
> Wrong, Donkey.

No, HarryLiar; he's right. There was no accusation of plagiarism, just
an observation: if NastyGoon had found such a line in a poem they'd have
called it plagiarism. The story that I accused her must have been come
from you.

> George clearly specified that his "observation" was contingent upon
> whether NancyGene credited Creeley for her poem -- which he knows full
> well that she did not.

And I'll stand by my observation, which seems quite clear to me on
rereading: if NastyGoon had found a similar line in another person's
poem, uncredited, they'd have called it plagiarism.

> He knows this because I presented the opening
> lines of her poem as being an example of *her* talent as a poet.  Had
> the lines been cribbed from Mr. Creeley, my example would not have
> applied.

The fact you were slurping your "colleague" is irrelevant. For all I
know from what you provided, it's a cento with notes at the bottom
crediting the sources.