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From: bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor)
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Subject: Re: Europa and energy transfer
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:55:35 +0000
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 14:27:05 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

> Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 0:27:40 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:
>>
>>> bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 22:05:55 +0000, x wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/29/24 21:53, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> NASA has a mission to the Jovian system, to study Europa. That moon is
>>>>>> interesting because it appears to have liquid water under an icy
>>>>>> surface. The heat need to keep the water liquid comes from the
>>>>>> stretching and compression Europa experiences during its orbit around
>>>>>> Jupiter, the orbit not been exactly circular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much, so simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some thought made me realise that although the tidal forces on Europa
>>>>>> mean that it is not exactly spherical, its two bulges cannot remain
>>>>>> perfectly aligned with Jupiter, because Europa's angular velocity
>>>>>> relative to Jupiter is higher at periapsis than at apoapsis. The result
>>>>>> is that the nearer bulge is sometimes ahead, and sometimes behind,
>>>>>> relative to Europa's orbital motion, resulting in a net force backwards
>>>>>> along the orbit, or forward along the orbit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, certainly stuff that's already well known.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I can see, the energy that is being dissipated as heat inside
>>>>>> Europa has to come from changes to Europa's orbit. Further, if Europa
>>>>>> were either perfectly rigid, or perfectly elastic, there would be no
>>>>>> energy transfer, and consequently no change to the orbit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would make no difference if Jupiter itself were perfectly rigid, so
>>>>>> the transfer cannot involve tides on Jupiter generated by Europa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the existence of the orbital energy transfer depends on Europa being
>>>>>> neither perfectly rigid nor perfectly elastic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What escapes me is the mechanism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am thinking that the standard model for Earth is that supposedly
>>>>> in the 1800s Lord Kelvin did some calculations.
>>>>
>>>> At that time they had thought the universe was only full of stars.
>>>
>>> Utter nonsense yet again, crackpot.
>>>
>>> By 1600 astronmers were well aware of different types of celestial
>>> bodies and beginning to measure distances to such.
>>
>> Did they have a clue about galaxies.
>
> "They" had a clue as early as 450 BCE crackpot.

No, fool.
They thought the stars were the lights from Heaven.
>
> The first attempts at measuring distant objects where made around 1000
> CE crackpot.
>
> The invention of the telescope in 1610 rather clinched the deal
> crackpot.

Penisnino, all they found then that crystal spheres MAY NOT exist and
the Earth MIGHT go around the Sun.

Ape-minds far superior to the penisnino here may have read Brecht's
play, "Life of Galileo". That was about discovering the moons of Jupiter
which indicated change of cosmic thinking. Certainly it did not discover
distant galaxies!
Alas, all career physicists are like Penisnino here so they will
continue to lead their lives of lies, abhorring truth.
Such is the bad impact of wrong physics held to be right, thus turning
physics into the worst theology.
>
>
>>>
>>> <snip lunatic raving unread>
>>
>> Penisnino runs away, typical establishment tactics when challenged for
>> astounding stupidity.
>
> Runs away from what crackpot, your total ignorance of the history of
> science?

Look who is talking.
We doggies do not snip, ignore facts, lie, abuse and run away from
scientific evidence.
Small minded apes do that.

Woof-woof

Bertietaylor