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From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
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Subject: Re: Tom Van Flandern's book aninymously criticizing relativity while he was
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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2025 21:54:26 +0000
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 8:31:59 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 20:32:43 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 18:37:08 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 10:36:39 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/06/2025 09:25, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 20:00:42 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "AI: "The Einstein Hoax: The Disastrous Intellectual War on Common
>>>>>>>>>>> Sense" is a book by Tom Van Flandern that critiques Albert
>>>>>>>>>>> Einstein's theories, particularly relativity."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is published under the pen name H. E. Retic, as explained in the
>>>>>>>>>>> About the Author section, where he describes Van Flandern's career.
>>>>>>>>>> Reading it I find that it certainly seems like it must be Van
>>>>>>>>>> Flandern's and it's copyright 1997.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have verifiable evidence
>>>>>>>>> for H. E. Retic being Tom van Flandern?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't want to lose you (am I wrong?), but could you please
>>>>>>>> stop feeding the spammers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The book: "The Einstein Hoax: The Disastrous Intellectual War on Common
>>>>>>> Sense" by H. E. Retic obviously exists.
>>>>>>> (you can order it on Amazon for example,
>>>>>>>  but I won't spend real money on it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I would like to see the About the Author section,
>>>>>>> to see if the claim that he is Van Flandern is justified.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One never knows, even LaurenceClarkCrossen may provide
>>>>>>> some useful information, once in a while,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, Van Flandern admitted later on that his anti-relativity claims
>>>>>>> based on Voyager data didn't hold water.
>>>>>>> There has been a lot of discussion on it in the other SPR,
>>>>>>> when that group still had worthwhile content.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "About the Author...retired Mechanical Engineer who graduated from
>>>>>> Cornell University in 1948...designed and built the stable platform of
>>>>>> the inertial guidance system used in the X-15 aircraft...designed for
>>>>>> sale to the Navy  the first Low-Light level Television System capable of
>>>>>> operating from full daylight to the photon noise limit threshold without
>>>>>> picture degradation...a goal that the Night Vision Laboratory at Ft.
>>>>>> Belvoir had declared impossible...holds over 25 patents and in one year
>>>>>> was granted 10% of the patents issued to a major military
>>>>>> contractor...began to study gravitation in the mid 1960's..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. And OK, that settles it.
>>>>> This 'H. E. Retic' is definitely not Tom Van Flandern.
>>>>> Just another dime a dozen dumb engineer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that some of those engineers think
>>>>> that they know everything about everything,
>>>>> which qualifies them to disprove any scientific theory they don't like,
>>>>> like evolution or relativity?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>> As usual you give no good reason for your opinion.
>>>
>>> I did. Comparison of the Author description
>>> with the wikiparticle on Tom Van Flandern
>>> makes it obvious that the two don't fit together,
>>>
>>> Jan
>> Anyone desiring to judge for themselves can get a free pdf:
>> https://epdf.pub/the-einstein-hoax-the-disastrous-intellectual-war-on-common-s
> ense.html
>> It has 16 chapters without the appendixes.
>
> Cowardly evasions.
> YOU claimed something, it is up to YOU
> to make it at least a bit plausible,
>
> Jan
If it's not possible to prove space is not curved, then relativity is an
unfalsifiable theory.
For space to be curved, parallel lines in a plane surface would have to
meet without that surface becoming three-dimensional. Therefore, curved
space is impossible nonsense. Curved space is a case of the reification
fallacy.