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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:08:13 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <56314b3bac257d0fc228c26f3c8c5eec40a87215@i2pn2.org> References: <v6e7va$c4sv$1@dont-email.me> <v6g444$pdc2$1@dont-email.me> <v6go4d$sg7f$1@dont-email.me> <v6ikv5$19h6q$1@dont-email.me> <v6jguf$1ctoi$5@dont-email.me> <v6ji1d$1dpoc$1@dont-email.me> <v6jig0$1ctoi$11@dont-email.me> <v6jkib$1e3jq$1@dont-email.me> <v6jpe5$1eul0$1@dont-email.me> <v6jpqo$1e3jq$2@dont-email.me> <v6jqfg$1eul0$2@dont-email.me> <v6k6md$1h3a7$1@dont-email.me> <v6k9ef$1hicb$1@dont-email.me> <04b97cd4a405abead92368522fcf77070bb4fa55@i2pn2.org> <v6l24d$1oqjv$1@dont-email.me> <a267bfdf93c6fc179d09a3f62f25003f033aaff1@i2pn2.org> <v6m331$1tj30$7@dont-email.me> <6d43f24547a3b170ce6f7a99e30ec60dec589f79@i2pn2.org> <v6n8ob$24dmg$3@dont-email.me> <7f9b731b2367a2bcf2883278ee5265d30a8f82d6@i2pn2.org> <v6nau1$24jgn$2@dont-email.me> <744d42e4d9d67b49cb1844a2651cb0c350760f0c@i2pn2.org> <v6nc22$2501i$1@dont-email.me> <c784fa694b9d68f5ace1d07c9870050681268fdc@i2pn2.org> <v6ori5$2fuva$10@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 02:08:14 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2973854"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v6ori5$2fuva$10@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 5043 Lines: 88 On 7/11/24 10:51 AM, olcott wrote: > On 7/10/2024 8:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 7/10/24 9:21 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 7/10/2024 8:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 7/10/24 9:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/10/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 7/10/24 8:24 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/10/2024 7:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/10/24 9:41 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 7/10/2024 8:27 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 09 Jul 2024 23:19:25 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/9/2024 11:01 PM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > That means that HHH doesn't return, in particular that it >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> > abort. >>>>>>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that >>>>>>>>>>> correctly emulates >>>>>>>>>>> 1 to ∞ steps of DDD can't make it past the above line of code >>>>>>>>>>> no matter >>>>>>>>>>> what. >>>>>>>>>> That line being the call to itself -> it can't simulate itself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *DDD NEVER HALTS* >>>>>>>>>> DDD ONLY calls HHH... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>>> HHH(DDD); >>>>>>>>> return; >>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that >>>>>>>>> correctly emulates 1 to ∞ lines of DDD can't make it >>>>>>>>> to the second line of DDD no matter what. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nope, DDD does if HHH(DDD) returns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have a dead cat in your driveway does not mean that >>>>>>> you have a peanut butter sandwich on your front porch. >>>>>>> It has taken you at least 1000 messages to see that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that >>>>>>> correctly emulates 1 to ∞ lines of DDD can't make it >>>>>>> to the second line of DDD no matter what. >>>>>> >>>>>> WRONG, you don't seem to understand the difference between DDD and >>>>>> HHH's emualtion of it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would you bet your immortal soul that DDD simulated >>>>> by HHH (as provided above) would terminate normally? >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is a ambiguous statement, showing your attempt at deciet. >>>> >>> >>> We stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation >>> is the semantics of the x86 programming language. By this >>> measure when 1 to ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated >>> by each pure function x86 emulator HHH (of the infinite >>> set of every HHH that can possibly exist) then DDD cannot >>> possibly reach its own machine address of 00002174 and halt. >> >> And thus you stipulate that you are a LIAR. >> >> By the semantic of the x86 programming language, the only correct >> simulation is a FULL simulation > In other words you are trying to get away with the lie that > when 1 step of DDD is correctly emulated that 0 steps of DDD > are correctly emulated. > > Repent of this lie or risk damnation. > WHAT LIE? That x86 defines that every instruction DDD/HHH that gets emulatiod included the definition that the next instruction WILL run? That is just truth. Calling the truth a lie is just more of your lies. I think you have already damned yourself.