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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:30:43 +0000
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:41:26 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:
>
>> from
>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=253903&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#253903
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:22:04 +0000, Michael Monkey aka "HarryLime"
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) has returned, as Will and I
>> suspected. Even the name of his new sock, "HarryLime", looked like an
>> obvious clue to the "third man" on Team Monkey (the other two being
>> Jim/Edward and NancyGene). So we devised a way to have him out himself:
>> Will would bump up an old thread, I'd reply to it, and if "Harry" were
>> MMP, he wouldn't be able to resist replying. And it worked.
>>
>> (Since the backthread has served its purpose, I've snipped most of it.)
>>
>>> It's "Jerk store!" time, again.  George Dance re-responds to a post I
>>> made almost two years ago (because he thinks I'm no longer here to smack
>>> him around).
>>
>> If further proof that this is MMP were needed, here it is: he walked
>> right into the trap, and he's still clueless that it even happened.
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 4:13:51 +0000, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> The above passage demonstrates why so-so poets should avoid
>>>> predetermined formats at all costs.  The "sentence" is incomplete.
>>>
>>> GD: That's because it wasn't a "sentence" until "Edward" added the full
>>> stop. Which demonstrates only that so-so poets should avoid
>>> repunctuating their betters' poetry.
>>>
>>> MMP: GD is now aping PJR (because PJR is no longer here to slap him
>>> around).
>>
>>>> Years conspire to decrease possibilities.
>>>
>>> GD: Exactly what the poem says, which Michael would have discovered if
>>> he
>>> had bothered to look it up. He didn't even need to look it up on line;
>>> he could have found it in his own "literary journal" (AYOS 2021, 10).
>>>
>>> MMP: My literary journal was created to highlight the best examples of
>>> poetry from AAPC's various members.  The best poetry by Member G does
>>> not necessarily measure up to the best poetry of Member J.
>>>
>>> As Mr. Dance has so ably demonstrated above, his own poem left no traces
>>> on my memory.
>>
>> MMP's memory lapses are something I'm sure we're all familiar with by
>> now. But let us remember what else I just ably demonstrated: that back
>> in 2021 (when he was still hoping to recruit me as an ally) he
>> considered Possibilities one of "the best examples of poetry" on AAPC.
>>
>>>> These too lines don't form a coherent sentence.
>>>
>>> GD: I think you mean those *two* lines. They are not a sentence, even in
>>> Edward's edit, and neither of them are a sentence in the actual poem.
>>> Once again, Edward added a full stop that's not in the original (as
>>> Michael would have known, if he'd bothered to read the original).
>>>
>>> MMP: It seems that Mr. Dance's purpose in reopening this thread is to
>>> re-state that Mr. Rochester mistakenly added end punctuation to his
>>> lines, thereby making his poem appear to be more illiterate than it
>>> actually is.
>>
>> MMP seems completely clueless about my actual "purpose" but that's par
>> for the course. So let's focus on what's important:
>> (1) He claimed my poem was "illiterate";
>> (2) I pointed out that every example of "illiteracy" he found was added
>> by his ally Jim;
>> (3) Now he's claiming my poem is still "illiterate".
>>
>> Remember, again, that three years ago, when he still hoped to talk me
>> into becoming his ally, he considered it one of "the best poems" on aapc
>> that year. Now that he considers me his adversary, it's "illiterate."
>> "When [someone] is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to
>> him and claim he can't write."
>>
>>> The fact that Mr. Dance feels compelled to do so nearly two years after
>>> both the original post *and* after his original refutation demonstrates
>>> an alarming degree of obsessive pettiness on his part.
>>
>> LOL! Will picked the thread - and it's a good one - but there were many
>> other possibilities. (heh!) Suffice it to say, Jim is a fool and no one
>> in their right mind would judge their poetry by what he says about it.
>>
>>> GD: Having children restores the lost possibilities; you no longer have
>>> them, but your children do.
>>>
>>> MMP: No, they don't.  If the poem is expressing a universal principle,
>>> then the children's possibilities will necessarily be decreased as they
>>> mature as well.
>>
>> Sure, onr's children will fail to realize some of their possibilities,
>> too; but they will also realize some that their parents did not. Just
>> because MMP or Jim failed to reach your own goals, for example, it does
>> not follow that your children will fail at their goals as well.
>>
>>>> This, again, is not a coherent sentence.
>>>
>>> GD: Once again, that is solely due to Edward's editing.
>>>
>>> MMP: "Once again,..." Quite.  And one supposes that will be repeating it
>>> yet a third time two years from now.
>>
>> If MMP shows up two years from now with a new sock, we might try the
>> same thing. But not probably with a different thread; the archives are
>> full of threads like this.
>>
>>>> You really spend way too much
>>>> time interacting with the Donkey; his illiteracy is rubbing off.
>>>
>>> GD: It figures that you'd try to blame Will; but I don't see how you can
>>> blame him for Edward's sloppy editing.
>>>
>>> MMP: Mr. Donkey serves as proof of the old adage concerning the "one bad
>>> apple."
>>>
>>> In this case, the presence of one illiterate member of a group causes
>>> the other members to relax their standards.
>>>
>>> Or, in the words of another adage, any group will inevitably settle to
>>> the level of its lowest participant.
>>
>> MMP repeatedly complains about me repeating this point, but it doesn't
>> seem to have sunk in yet, so:
>> The only examples of "illiteracy" that have been shown in this thread
>> came from Jim. (Better yet, let's "settle" to MMP's level and start
>> calling Jim Mr. Chimp again.)
>>
>> I'd say the only reason for MMP to call Will an illiterate that's been
>> shown in this thread is that he doesn't like Will. Will's also MMP's
>> adversary. As he says: "When [someone] is seen as an adversary, you
>> assign a childish name to him and claim he
>> can't write."
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EA_gCO9_BDk/m/DWT2Fq0TBwAJ?hl=en
>>
>>>> How do the possibilities justify our lives if they are decreased to
>>>> irrelevancy by years?
>>>
>>> GD: As I already explained: they're restored in the next generation.
>>>
>>> MMP: And as I've already explained, the next generation's possibilities
>>> are as limited as those of their forebears.  Since time and circumstance
>>> will *always* conspire to decrease their possibilities by the time they
>>> reach adulthood, the seemingly unlimited possibilities at birth are
>>> necessarily an illusion.
>>
>> Nonsense; people can and do realize possibilities in their lives,
>> including those their ancestors never did. No one can do everything, of
>> course, but plenty of people have done enough to justify their existence
>> {many of whose ancestors did nothing to justify theirs, beyond - wait
>> for it - having families).
>>
>>>> Roughly speaking (i.e., ignoring the incoherent pseudo-sentences),
>>>
>>> GD: I do hope we've spent enough time on Edward's pseudo-sentences.
>>>
>>> MMP: LOL! If Mr. Dance actually meant what he said, he wouldn't have
>>> reopened a two-year old thread in order to bitch about Mr. Rochester's
>>> "edits" to his poem a second time.
>>
>> LOL right back. I've already explained why I commented on the thread
>> Will reopened. But I'm serious; we've advanced the debate. MMP has not
>> disputed that all "illiteracy" he discovered was caused by Mr. Chimp,
>> but he's sticking to his story that the poem is still "illiterate"
>> anway, as per his editorial philosophy: "When [someone] is seen as an
>> adversary, you assign a childish name to him and claim he can't write."
>>
>>>> your
>>>> poem is saying that we are all born with unlimited potential, but that
>>>> the years conspire (with circumstance) to undercut our ability to
>>>> achieve it.
>>
>> What is "it"? No one realizes "unlimited" possibilites, but plenty of
>> people realize some, including ones their parents failed to realize.
>>
>>>> As compensation for our wasted lives, we can always take
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