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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 02:47:39 +0000
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On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 0:47:32 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:21:14 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:49:20 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:39:15 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:15:50 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:23:41 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>> "HarryLime"aka "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 0:13:13 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> My reason for opening a new thread would be because you're constantly
>>>>>>> bringing up my poem in unrelated threads, as per your M.O. which I
>>>>>>> already noted. (As that contained a few typos), I'll copy it in here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "That's been your regular M.O. since you showed up. Whenever I try to
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a conversations with Will, about anything, you jump in and start spewing
>>>>>>> false claims about something else, in the mistaken belief that I'd only
>>>>>>> have two options:
>>>>>>> (1) try to refute your false claims, in which case you've successfully
>>>>>>> disrupted the conversation; or
>>>>>>> (2) ignore them (in which some people might think those false claims of
>>>>>>> yours are actually true)."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you're having a conversation *about me*, you mean to say, deceitful
>>>>>> George.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you make false statements about me on a social media platform
>>>>>> (libel), you should expect, at very least, a refutation.
>>>
>>> I opened this thread to respond to false statements you were making
>>> about your flame war on Stephan, Will, myself, and others on other
>>> threads. No one has said it wasn't about you.
>>
>> Yet you have accused me of jumping into what was intended to be a
>> conversation with Will.
>
> I accused you of "spewing false claims about something else" than the
> topic of the thread. Since you're constantly whining about your
> "context," I can only conclude that you're deliberately trying to change
> mine.

I'm sorry, George, but you've got so many different "Lime Sock" and
"Monkey Michael" threads going on that I'm having difficulty keeping
them straight.

What "false claims" are you accusing me of having been "spewing"?


>> If you open a discussion *about me*, you should expect me to join in.
>
> Fine with me, as long as you stay on topic. If you try to change the
> topic by making false claims about something else, expect me to move
> those to a new thread.

None of my refutations have attempted to change the topic in any of your
threads.  Refutations, by definition, are direct responses to false
claims made by another.

I think it painfully obvious that you create new threads when you're no
longer able to defend your position.


>> If you open a discussion *about me* in which you refer to me by one of
>> your childish names ("Lime Sock"), then proceed to make libelous
>> statements about me, you can be damn sure that I'm going to "jump in."
>
> As long as you don't "jump in and start spewing false claims about
> something else" for deflection purposes, then your comments can stay in
> the thread.

LOL.  At this point, I have no idea what the topic of this thread is
supposed to be.

The title says that it's about my alleged views (as filtered through the
perception of George Dance) on Pickles Pickering and NAMBLA.

However the quoted passages in this thread show it to have been started
as an explanation for why you have started a new thread.  (Yeesh!)

And your current comments keep yammering on about my supposed "M.O." of
changing the subject of your threads.

So, please Mr. Dance... if you wish me to stay "on topic," be so good as
to tell me what the topic is, and attempt to stay on it yourself.


>> And when you do all of the above with the foreknowledge that I am going
>> to "jump in," one can only conclude that you are doing so specifically
>> to troll me into a flame war in which I am placed in a defensive
>> position (which is not the position one wants to be in during a flame
>> war).
>>
>> But that's your m.o. at its duplicitous best.
>
> Oh, my. Now "duplicitous" means trying to keep a thread on topic.

That is not even remotely my meaning of it, duplicitous George.

As always, I follow the definitions set forth by Merriam-Webster, where
you will find the following entry:

duplicitous
adjective
du·​plic·​i·​tous du̇-ˈpli-sə-təs   also  dyu̇-
Synonyms of duplicitous
: marked by duplicity : deceptive in words or action
duplicitous tactics

What do you think "duplicitous" means?


>>>>>>>> To save time, why don't you just bump the old thread up to the top of
>>>>>>>> the feed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rereading it requires much less time on both our parts than repeating
>>>>>>>> the same points that we'd made at the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HarryLiar, no one is asking you to comment on that thread (or any of the
>>>>>>> other threads I've opened FTM). If you have nothing to say on the poem,
>>>>>>> you're more than welcome to sit that one out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the Subject of this thread is "Re: The Lime sock on Stephan
>>>>>> Pickering and NAMBLA" (and since "The Lime sock[sic]" is the latest
>>>>>> childish name you have come up with to call me
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever the hypocrite here's Michael Pendragon whining about childish name
>>>>> calling when he's the one who began that practice here years ago.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not complaining about the name-calling, Donkey.
>>>>
>>>> I'm merely pointing out that "The Lime sock[sic]" is George Dance's
>>>> latest name for me.
>>>
>>> Get with the program. Precisely because of the whining about your
>>> petname that Will mentioned, I changed it several days ago.
>>
>> My Username is HarryLime.
>
> that's the name of your current sock.

You're being deceitful again, George.

HarryLime is the Username for my NovaBBS account.  I have openly
admitted that I am Michael Pendragon and that I, Michael Pendragon, am
posting under the name on my account (HarryLime).

A sock is a false identity that a Usenet member takes on in order to
troll a group.  Since HarryLime is merely my account's Username, and
since my identity remains that of Michael Pendragon, it does not fit the
description of a sock.


>>  My professional penname is Michael Pendragon.
>
> That's the name of one of your old socks. I do not plan to pretend that
> your socks are real people. There's a real person behind all the socks,
> and until and unless I learn his name (don't worry, I'm not trying to
> find out), I'll call you whatever serves to identify you.

It is not a false name, George.  It is the name that I have been
published under in over 200 different small press publications.  It's
the name that I have published 4 literary journals, and various books
under.  It's the name that appears in WhosWho (Marquise).  It's the name
that I was recently nominated for a Rhysling award under.  It's the name
on my Facebook account.  It's the name on my Youtube account.  It's the
name that my friends (real life var.) address me by (even though they
know what my legal name is).

Many writers use pennames, George.  Are you calling Mark Twain a sock,
too?


>>  You are free to address and/or refer to me as either of the above.  Any
>> other name will be treated as the childish name-calling that it is.
>
> IOW, you'll whine like a little baby about being called a name, in one
> breath,  while calling your your own perceived enemies the same types of
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