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From: Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: lithium explosion
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:18:47 +0100
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 22:58:18 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
wrote:

>On 2024/04/14 10:09 a.m., Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 18:27:46 -0700, John Larkin
>> <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:07:59 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024/04/12 9:52 a.m., john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:22:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 10:04 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/04/2024 9:16 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-12 07:19, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/04/2024 3:03 am, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/8/24 18:35, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68744317
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like that one was charging.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lithium battery fires are a big deal in New York too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> San Fancisco is swarming with illegal, unlicensed electric scooters,
>>>>>>>>>>> surfboards, wheelie things, bikes, and motorcycles.
>>>>
>>>> As are most cities with access to Amazon/eBay...(no regulations on what
>>>> people can sell on these platforms)
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>>> And fretting about the hazards of exploding batteries with 300 million
>>>>>> guns floating around is pretty schizophrenic. Compared to being injured
>>>>>> by an exploding bike (or shot by a stranger for that matter) your
>>>>>> chances of being shot by a police officer are at least the same, or higher.
>>>>>
>>>>> About 1300 people were killed by police in the US last year, out of a
>>>>> population of 333 million, about 4 PPM. Cops rarely shoot polite
>>>>> law-abiding citizens; don't threaten people, especially cops, with
>>>>> guns or knives.
>>>>
>>>> Here in Canada the average number of people killed by police annually is
>>>> just under 40 per year since 2011. Out of a population of roughly
>>>> 40,000,000 or 1 PPM in other words.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps our gun laws do make a difference.
>>>>
>>>> John :-#)#
>>>
>>> The population mix makes a bigger difference. Bad guys will always
>>> find guns.
>
>If there are guns to be easily found.
>
>Make it harder to find guns, and bad guys can't get them easily. Where 
>it is easier to procure guns, gun violence is increased. Where it is 
>harder to get guns, fewer people are killed. Gun dealers don't want that 
>message getting out though.
>
>I don't think the US has ore bad people than anywhere else. People are 
>people. Bullies who can't get guns readily are easier to stop.
>> 
>> Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
>
>The correct anecdote would be
>
>"Guns don't kill people (all by themselves), people (find it easier) to 
>kill people (using guns)."

That's too verbose, it'll never catch on.