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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Wave particle duality has been disproven for photons also. Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 20:52:45 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <5a607a13d3b1dd8db7a97742b7cf3247@www.novabbs.com> References: <bee82c477b86c0caf1c30da405ed870f@www.novabbs.com> <1016jjl$35vvu$1@dont-email.me> <d279bfcd8e013cfb82fd36ae5ed16477@www.novabbs.com> <1019db0$3qq3l$1@dont-email.me> <b8539af84e66425e19352dcaf1fb23a5@www.novabbs.com> <101bvtv$e5aq$1@dont-email.me> <31a029f37652e40c0674747fff52ed04@www.novabbs.com> <101elmh$12n6q$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2740223"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$/r/lxrs0DRcATaRLNNo3WuDY5ZBw8n0qxZzPtYqtf4cbLtHbB7fly X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 On Sat, 31 May 2025 10:29:37 +0000, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-05-30 19:11:05 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said: > >> On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:05:51 +0000, Mikko wrote: >> >>> On 2025-05-29 21:18:15 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said: >>> >>>> On Thu, 29 May 2025 10:36:16 +0000, Mikko wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-05-28 19:02:10 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 28 May 2025 9:04:53 +0000, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2025-05-27 03:27:05 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Particle wave duality is no longer accepted as it has been >>>>>>>> experimentally disproven. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The term "duality" refers to the observation that in most cases >>>>>>> the behaviour of light can be understand with a theory where >>>>>>> light is a wave or with a theory where light is a stream of >>>>>>> particles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, there are situations where both kind of theories give >>>>>>> an incorrect prediction about the behaviour of light. Therefore >>>>>>> both paticle and wave theories are inexact. >>>>> >>>>>> When electrons pass through the double slit experiment, they behave >>>>>> similarly to waves in aggregate, as waves of H2O do, yet experiments >>>>>> show they remain particles. >>>>> >>>>> The experiments do not show that they remain particles. They only >>>>> show that in some situations they behave differently from classical >>>>> waves. >>>>> >>>>> But an interference in e.g. in double slit experiment shows that >>>>> they behave differently from classical particles. >>>>> >>>>> So both the wave theory and the particle theory are refuted. >>> >>>> The experiments do not show they become waves. >>> >>> THere is no "become". They are either always or never. > >> It is asserted that individual photons are inserted in the double slit >> experiment and that they create interference patterns like waves hence a >> duality. The fact that the light behaves here like a wave proves they >> never reduced it to a single photon. It was always a wave. > > Classical particles do not produce an interference pattern. Classical > waves do not produce counts of discrete detectons. Both can be observed > in the double slit experiment so there is somthing that is not a > classical wave and not a classical particle. It does not matter how you > call it. The only pattern the electrons form is a wave. Particles do that in lakes. Waves in lakes form interference patterns.