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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: x86S Specification Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 06:53:45 +0100 Organization: One very high maintenance cat Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5acb70a334dba080ecce579c4bf18c3edc448e7c.camel@munted.eu> References: <ves555$2uh6n$1@dont-email.me> <ves6gu$2umgd$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: alex.buell@munted.eu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:01:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e58792f3e43b4585c0c7dafa6c6d3373"; logging-data="3342170"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19i8nkw4La2UJWTw9S2VxZ1ILKX/UEZJx0=" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:1sWu55p6QrQ7oXjrjiZ1fTJzM6M= Autocrypt: addr=alex.buell@munted.eu; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata=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 oM21NnHfo7RohDWVnYxAbHrErJjrym5yRxgWN0ccrsoeza/8m+G+my78KFVUtoTn9QmDDtaHrp7I2XGZ4r8rpvtCBxg4IFUqHg0ESI2/4pHw8n4uyD9e7yuZ+0zsLzMhloNEZ8ABe2/peVeir9eEVGqXTmixiLgVvPkTBi6xa4FmTqG3m0woUz8BXzCT1hoHtTPQ4UxGgcp8ITPUy1dJKUsqqY1uPSuLA06tGPQj7w/0j1HTuyct5NNHFDpDvrQdi/qr4CEk3WVWAEiv+d07DumSKnb6k5OySXSK128/oE2FXKsM1gNgFpK2SqEqfylxpAtJmRWNcV7Dyaqci22xRgBnU9X5iC2N9eXvaliEkEGBECAAkFAkSBefECGwwACgkQE/TNcxSCX46DQQCdH57pYA1kE373R9WsUN6+OXpqD8gAn0oKFduLKG48YhT7256Jo/7ZDeSU In-Reply-To: <ves6gu$2umgd$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4326 On Thu, 2024-10-17 at 19:27 -0400, Arne Vajh=C3=B8j wrote: > > One of the things proposed for removal is the Ring 1 and Ring 2 > > privilege > > modes. > >=20 > > Does OpenVMS on AMD64 make use of these modes? >=20 > My understanding of the proposed changes are: >=20 > 64 bit OS 64 bit app - works > 64 bit OS 32 bit apps - works > 32 bit OS 32 bit apps - gone > 32 bit OS 16 bit apps - gone > 16 bit OS 16 bit apps - gone >=20 > VMS x86-64 is 64 bit OS 64 bit apps (the fact that pointers are > often stored with only low 32 bit bit in RAM is irrelevant). His question was about the ring priviledge modes, not what apps and what OS will run on the proposed architecture. If you don't know, say so! --=20 Tactical Nuclear Kittens