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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: I asked ChatGPT to prove that the 1965 muon decay experiment WAS A HOAX. Date: Fri, 2 May 2025 03:24:56 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <5be4aeada7bf0cda8eaa47133d0089df@www.novabbs.com> References: <d97a7fc4404ee63309eee8f6033f7f04@www.novabbs.com> <4dfa305629c521e39d452ca6ebe4ec9d@www.novabbs.com> <36b5d976be33749a573d8d81a975c37f@www.novabbs.com> <7c44462b1a2aeed264106c23757765ab@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2759111"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$gWdFFWze2qqKfefKsBFp7.tZDWuKRUXzSfWigsYl7kznUMx2ENPdm X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 Bytes: 2712 Lines: 32 On Fri, 2 May 2025 2:05:39 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote: > On Fri, 2 May 2025 1:06:13 +0000, rhertz wrote: > >> But dig into the technical reality, and a very different picture >> emerges. The “signal” they claimed to extract was orders of magnitude >> smaller than the spectral noise of the gamma ray source—and not encoded >> in any way that could be isolated. >> Let’s examine why this experiment, widely celebrated in textbooks, may >> be better described as a statistical illusion cloaked in prestige. > > When I was an undergraduate, I worked for a summer in a Mössbauer > spectroscopy laboratory where we *routinely* measured chemical shifts > on the order of 5% of the natural linewidth. Personally, I find it no > stretch at all of the imagination to consider measurement precisions > an order of magnitude or so better than what we routinely achieved. > > I bounced around a bit in the labs that I worked in. The following > summer, I worked in a lab doing split brain research, and the summer > after that, in a lab studying the effects of GABA on crayfish neuron > signal transmission. Quite a difference between 5% shift in natural bandwidth (you) and A NOISY 0.1% shift (Pound allegation, 1959-1960). I think that ChatGPT explained this disgraceful event with astonishing clarity: "this experiment, widely celebrated in textbooks, may be better described as a statistical illusion cloaked in prestige". I always called it a farce, an HOAX. And that's what it was, is and will be.