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Subject: Re: electrical deaths
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 19:04:01 -0800
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:33:39 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-11-28 01:51, john larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 00:57:09 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
>> <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 28-11-2024 00:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-27 03:53, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Age-adjusted-mortality-rates-from-
>>>>> electrical-injuries-per-1-million-population-European_fig1_221916189
>>>>>
>>>>> The US (0.63 PPM) is probably low partly because we have mostly 120
>>>>> volt gadgets. I usually wire boxes hot, and get tickled now and then,
>>>>> no big deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some countries are astounding.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you have more fires.
>>>>
>>> And in general less efficiency since I2R losses are higher in the US ;-)
>> 
>> Most losses are in distribution, and that's kilovolts. Of course, the
>> USA is BIG.
>> 
>> Serious appliances, like air conditioners and clothes dryers, run
>> line-to-line, 240 volts. Modern TVs and LED lighting don't need much
>> power.
>> 
>> Our wiring doesn't usually get warm.
>> 
>> We heat and cook with gas, and we don't have a/c or a pool or any
>> silliness like that, so we don't use a lot of power.
>> 
>
>
>But a tea kettle or a bread toaster or the microwave plug into 120, 
>drawing quite some amps. If those connections get a bit rusty, they also 
>get hot. And they need thick wires; thick copper is not that easy to 
>wrap around connectors.

Electric tea kettles seem to be rare here.