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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: Charles Bukowski
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 19:15:19 +0000
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 20:44:31 +0000, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 2:56:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> On Jul 24, 10:00 am, baloney wrote:
>>>> > "Vera" wrote
>>>> >
>>>> > > > His name suggests a Polish background.
>>>> >
>>>> > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
>>>> > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
>>>> >
>>>> > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
>>>> > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
>>>> > > > part rather than that essential last line.
>>>> >
>>>> > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
>>>> >
>>>> > > > Thank you!
>>>> >
>>>> > > > Vera
>>>> >
>>>> > > huh? you're copying Bukowski? I think you like
>>>> > > yourself WAY too much for there to ever be
>>>> > > any confusion about the two.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think someone else compared Vera's style to Buk's, and she doesn't
>>>> > know much about him, so she is curious.
>>>> Probably the "chopped-up-prose" thing, I guess,
>>>> > Someone at the local strip mall said the old man looked like Jimmy
>>>> > Buffet, so he asked me who he is for much the same reason. My answer
>>>> > was, "Well, he isn't Warren Buffet; I think he's a musician." I
>>>> > looked up Jimmy Buffet, and excepting the ubiquitous Hawaiian shirt, I
>>>> > still think the old man looks more like Teddy Roosevelt. "Bully!"
>>>> Interesting that Buffett /and/ Roosevelt come to mind constantly when
>>>> I'm around Barfield, he's got the swashbucking sailor-rough riding
>>>> warrior poet thing down, and have lived it since I first met him as a
>>>> kid.
>>>> On the Buffett angle, here's probably the ultimate JB song-poem:
>>>> A Pirate Looks At Forty
>>>> Mother, mother ocean, I have heard you call
>>>> Wanted to sail upon your waters since I was three feet tall
>>>> You've seen it all, you've seen it all
>>>> Watched the men who rode you switch from sails to steam
>>>> And in your belly you hold the treasures few have ever seen
>>>> Most of 'em dream, most of 'em dream
>>>> Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
>>>> The cannons don't thunder, there's nothin' to plunder
>>>> I'm an over-forty victim of fate
>>>> Arriving too late, arriving too late
>>>> I've done a bit of smugglin', I've run my share of grass
>>>> I made enough money to buy Miami, but I pissed it away so fast
>>>> Never meant to last, never meant to last
>>>> And I have been drunk now for over two weeks
>>>> I passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks
>>>> But I got stop wishin', got to go fishin'
>>>> Down to rock bottom again
>>>> Just a few friends, just a few friends
>>>> (instrumental)
>>>> I go for younger women, lived with several awhile
>>>> Though I ran 'em away, they'd come back one day
>>>> Still could manage to smile
>>>> Just takes a while, just takes a while
>>>> Mother, mother ocean, after all the years I've found
>>>> My occupational hazard being my occupation's just not around
>>>> I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown
>>>> Coda:
>>>> I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown
>>>> -Jimmy Buffett, 1974
>>>> > Wry little poem by Buk, thanks for posting.
>>>> It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though
>>>> his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
>>>> compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
>>>> memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
>>>> better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.
>>>> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
>>>> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
>>>> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
>>>> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
>>>> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
>>>> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
>>>> killed her."
>>>> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
>>>> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
>>>> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
>>>> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.
>>>> --
>>>> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
>>>> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
>>>> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
>>>> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>>> I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.
>> Thanks again, Zod.
>>
>> Charles Bukowski is an obvious influence on my poetry style.
>
> Charles Bukowski

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