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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:24:16 +0000
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 16:36:47 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 14:50:07 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 13:07:49 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:48:09 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 7:30:46 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 17:30:33 +0000, Michael Monkey Peakbrain akd
>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 1:56:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 18:58:18 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 2:20:10 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 15:29:37 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:07:47 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 18:47:06 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not only are Team Donkey's members not my enemies, but I see no reason
>>>>>>>> why anyone should need allies to engage with them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL! Remember what happened the last time you your act solo
>>>>>>> rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s. You tried there to pose as the genius
>>>>>>> with the encyplopedic knowledge of 1950s music, but (even though your
>>>>>>> knowledge of 1950s music is more extensive than your knowledge of
>>>>>>> poetry)
>>>>>>> you failed miserably, got your ass kicked and had to come here to start
>>>>>>> over.
>>>>>>> Even if you had the brains of a chimp, you'd be smart enough to realize
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> needed a team this time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I left the 50s group for numerous reasons, the most significant being
>>>>>> that it had become a thoroughly unproductive time sap.  I had learned
>>>>>> all that I could from it, and the arguments were becoming repetitive
>>>>>> rehashes that served no valuable purpose for me to pursue.  Since
>>>>>> leaving, I have completed and published numerous books (including a 50s
>>>>>> music book), and a monthly poetry magazine.
>>>>>
>>>>> You made the right decision; it is better to put your efforts into
>>>>> something more permanent. Please do the same for aapc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And, if I felt that I needed a team to participate in this group, I
>>>>>> would have sided with PJR, Horatio, and Gwyneth, who were infinitely
>>>>>> more knowledgeable,  and better educated than those of "Team Dunce"
>>>>>> (which at the time consisted of you and your Donkey).
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Corey, you did; but PJR, the elitist snob that he was, wanted
>>>>> nothing to do with either of you; so it was either leave or join the
>>>>> opposition. So you joined the opposition, and helped get rid of him,
>>>>> then tried to replace him.
>>>>> Unfortunately, you misunderstood and thought the opposition wanted to
>>>>> run aapc themselves. I can't speak for the other two, but I don't want
>>>>> anyone to run it.
>>>>>
>>>> You nailed it again, George.
>>>
>>> Thanks. PJR's team was quite happy to take in both Corey and Michael as
>>> allies, but PJR wanted nothing to do with them.
>>
>> You're delusional, George.
>>
>> PJR never had a team (unless one counts his friends from his
>> alt.net.kooks --but that's a different matter which I'll discuss below).
>
> Nonsense, MMP. At that time he still had two alt.koos - Aratzio, who
> finally moved on, and Cujo de Sockpupput, who moved with you to your
> facebook group - but he also had the "Shit People" - Gamble, Houstman,
> sherman, and Evans - and the three women they recruited onto aapc:
> Karla, Gwyneth, and Cythera. (Out of deference to your tender
> sensibilities, I'm using their chosen identifiers rather than my own.)

Since you were claiming that "PJR's team was quite happy to take in both
Corey and (myself)," I'm only listing members of PJR's alleged "team" at
that time.

The other "members" you list were all long gone before my arrival.  IIRC
there was a Bill(?) Evans who posted briefly during my first or second
year here, but he was friendly to both you and your Donkey.


>> PJR considered himself to be one of "the regulars."  The regulars were
>> actual poets that Will Donkey had not yet driven away.  They were not a
>> tean, and he was not their leader.
>
> Some of his "regulars" were actual poets (like all the ones I've given
> above) - some of them were
> They weren't his flunkies, in the way Jim and NG were your flunkies; but
> they were his echo chamber and his back-up flamers. It isn't necessary
> that a team be composed only of flunkies. It's probably true that they
> would have preferred to play poet and let PJR protect them from their

You've left off mid-sentence again, George.  You're starting to remind
me of former President Biden during his recent debates.

I really don't care how you differentiate between "flunkies" and
"echo-chamber"/"back-up flamers."  I'm aware that you've compiled an
ongoing lexicon of petty names and descriptions for everyone who's ever
posted here (your Donkey excepted, of course), but these are of no
interest to anyone but yourself.

PJR didn't have a "Team."  I do not have a "Team."

The only time I was a member of a "Team," is when you convinced me that
PJR was a "thug" who trolled the group with the intent of shutting it
down.  When I discovered how things really were, I turned in my "Team
Dunce" membership card.


>> PJR coined the term "Team Dunce" to signify you and Will - who he
>> considered to be illiterate trolls.
>
> He also put Chuck Lysaght and Tom Bishop on that list, before their
> deaths; and various other people over the years. But it's ridiculous; we
> never never acted as a team in any way. Will, for instance, doesn't do
> back-up flaming; he only responds to attacks on his own threads.

No true, George.

Will has been backing you "Well put, George!" in this very thread --
which he did not start.

As to Mssrs. Lysaght and Bishop, they were before my time.  However, I'm
sure that you've tricked many people into joining "Team Dunce" over the
years.

After all, you cordially greet all of the new members who come here --
whereas PJR did not.  And since PJR (at least when I was here) usually
came around simply to flame all of the "Team Dunce" members (and people
like Corey who didn't shun them), it was easy to believe that he, and
not your Donkey, was the troll.


> The
> only person I know whom I can remember doing back-up flaming for me is
> you; othwerwise I've been on my own here. "Team Dunce" was just PJR's
> "enemies list" and nothing else.

Both Will and his sock (Stinky George) have backed you on innumerable
threads.



>> The "kook" site was created to expose Usenet kooks in a humorous manner.
>>  "Wranglers" would engage in discussions with people in various Usenet
>> groups, searching for racists and assorted nutjobs whose buttons were
>> easily pressed.  They would goad these "kooks" into having a "meltdown"
>> online, then cross-post their meltdown to alt.kooks.  The other members
>> would then join in, creating further meltdowns.  They would also give
>> out various "awards" to the various "kooks."
>
> I'm aware of that, and I've written about the same thing; it's in their
> archives. By the time I arrived, though, members of the group were
> priaarily doing the same thing to non-kooss (like the lawyer who later
> took them to court and ended the group as a significant player).
>
> What PJR did, when he got control of the group as FNVW, was bring them
> into RAP and aapc, and use them against anyone he considered an enemy -
> his "enemies list" as I said.

That's ridiculous, George.

PJR came to AAPC and RAP because he is a poet.  He found some kooks here
(notably you and your Donkey -- and later, myself, when I was stupid
enough to believe you), and proceeded to make you his "chew toys."



>> Since you and Will were considered to be "kooks," PJR cross-posted your
>> "meltdowns" to alt.kooks, which brought some of his fellow members (like
>> Cujo and Aratzio) here.
>
> Maybe he did consider everyone he used alt.kooks against to be a "kook,"
> but that includes a lot of people who obviously weren't. Either he was
> the delusional one, or he was misusing the group.

AFAICS, his choices were correct.

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