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From: hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel)
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Subject: Re: Yes, =?UTF-8?B?dCc9dCBpbiBHUFMu?=
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:17:32 +0000
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 12:58:55 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> W dniu 07.09.2024 o 14:22, gharnagel pisze:
>
> > On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 13:38:12 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >
> > > No, you just impudently lied that both you
> > > and your cousin have GPS clocks on your walls.
> >
> > Wow! I make a simple, very likely claim
>
> But you don't have a GPS clock on your wall
> and your cousin has it neither.

Wozniak is the real liar here.  He hasn't defined
what he's talking about when he wites "GPS clock"
so I take that to mean a wall clock synchronized
with a GPS station:

https://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Atomic-Clock-Accuracy-Temperature/dp/B09417PQ16/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=1346902308605711&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XNi7Mz2iUjLur1MPQ9BNZdDJQ6kdBW8BsKBz5e6j5qd4KCyP5blcj_yte-InXvfA9r9zPYmXcwUZT_JtlGQt3nze-zygIqw6miD8hmI0dKVEZx5SqS3ZTliYJ8PSO9fey_5_jeSf0xPBjTaLdSkvd-moZ1Gt_qPkdPbGjzuiBjKXeKwZEzelpd0k6xmtupyUNnpIaSGOZ2Nu5cO4dE1drEfhpvr5TqvlCCNfMBHylJHAcN_XKzIDa83CqRqaps6PqZAV6bqgYTRIcZB2OcBgTNJxBlLAiw-CscJUiNP0bCY.AQhnZevHXK6Q-iisBMsfIvD3nLPiYn42fY0AnDqUKmI&dib_tag=se&hvadid=84181609222219&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=44646&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvtargid=kwd-84181740161579%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=14545_13350041&keywords=gps%2Bclock&msclkid=e74d3e76ccb719f56f3158aa054082ef&qid=1725745707&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1

> You both have clocks of one of zone times,
> seems you have clock of one zone time and
> your cousin has a clock of another zone
> time.  And as they refer to 2 different
> times they may have different indications -

Now Wozniak FINALLY gets it.  He claimed:

"When one [GPS] clock's indication is
'2024-09-06 17:00:00.0000000' - you may
be practically sure that all the others
WILL INDICATE THE SAME, with the precision
 of an acceptable error."

which is not true.

> while all zone times are still galilean.

But the time zones are NOT "galilean."  For
example, from the (approximately) inertial
frame in Poland, the frame on the opposite
side of the globe (near New Zealand) is
moving at about 1000 km/hour.  It takes GR
to put them in the same frame:

dtau^2/dt^2 = (1 - 2GM/R)

The other terms being zero.

“A person who won’t read has no advantage
over one who can’t read.” – Mark Twain


> > > Yes, right, they were designed to run the way
> > > needed to keep their indicatiuons equal,
> > > t'=t. Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
> >
> > Tsk, tsk,  Wozzie-liar attempt to distort the
> > facts while deleting the truth:
> >
> > "The satellite clocks were designed to run slow (dt')
> > in orbit so they
>
> So they run t'=t, just like all serious clocks
> always did. Common sense was warning your idiot
> guru and neither st John nor your mad ravings
> will help.

Unfortunately, Wozniak has no "common sense" --
let alone not being up to date on real information.
He seems to believe everyone is lying to him.

Schizophrenia:
"Delusions are false beliefs about things that may
seem strange or illogical to others. Even if you
present the person with facts that prove their idea
isn’t based on reality, they’re unlikely to change
their mind."

Wow!  Describes Wozniak to a tee.  Of course, being
delusional, he will blame others for being the same.
That would be an infantile response, like what
children in the "terrible twos" try on their parents.