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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar? Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2024 09:32:54 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 64 Message-ID: <5d5002dfe06298edcd27ac679f652ff0f23d3e2b.camel@gmail.com> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <e7a092c593ad1431a1bf6589d0102312545612ef@i2pn2.org> <vghb16$2ge1v$1@dont-email.me> <e51f21daadd358ef13801c918106c2fdc65a9f6b@i2pn2.org> <vghe3p$2gr3p$1@dont-email.me> <4cb98b3918d6745f53bb19582b59e786d4af5022@i2pn2.org> <vghgar$2h30o$1@dont-email.me> <e40629600e317dba47dd3d066d83899fa7b8a7ab@i2pn2.org> <vgiq1d$2nkqv$1@dont-email.me> <e84328012ce8d1e75b9b569f15f74fde315a0548@i2pn2.org> <vgjd2f$2qdc5$1@dont-email.me> <4654d9db2fa0906d7ab7a1c6c09139ab0b0110cd@i2pn2.org> <vgl7vl$37h38$4@dont-email.me> <vgnph1$3qcpl$1@dont-email.me> <vgns0o$3qq7s$1@dont-email.me> <vgsnod$upmp$1@dont-email.me> <vgt61q$11e5a$3@dont-email.me> <4eebe767dc236a7770566fc1593aae14a38cb085@i2pn2.org> <vgtbpd$12ji4$1@dont-email.me> <49bbc7f6ba667da66bc56c69db049774c066d084@i2pn2.org> <vgvmtb$1kbe2$1@dont-email.me> <vh20o5$25r1d$1@dont-email.me> <vh3bn2$2e37l$6@dont-email.me> <vh4env$2o2ht$1@dont-email.me> <vh62i2$32617$4@dont-email.me> <vh73mm$3bep5$1@dont-email.me> <vh8ma6$3l333$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:32:56 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5556cdc505b2f3ce410530ccbc3372a8"; logging-data="3864531"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18QPT8nRj6qjkL9hBHmVNvU" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:AYhQdHmCGh7eYglRice+43r9yio= In-Reply-To: <vh8ma6$3l333$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4630 On Fri, 2024-11-15 at 17:43 -0600, olcott wrote: > On 11/15/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote: > > On 2024-11-14 23:53:38 +0000, olcott said: > >=20 > > > On 11/14/2024 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote: > > > > On 2024-11-13 23:11:30 +0000, olcott said: > > > >=20 > > > > > On 11/13/2024 4:58 AM, Mikko wrote: > > > > > > On 2024-11-12 13:58:03 +0000, olcott said: > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > On 11/12/2024 1:12 AM, joes wrote: > > > > > > > > Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:35:57 -0600 schrieb olcott: > > > > > > > > > On 11/11/2024 10:25 AM, joes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:02 -0600 schrieb olcott: > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/11/2024 4:54 AM, Mikko wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2024-11-09 14:36:07 +0000, olcott said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/9/2024 7:53 AM, Mikko wrote: > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > The actual computation itself does involve HHH emulat= ing itself > > > > > > > > > > > emulating DDD. To simply pretend that this does not o= ccur seems > > > > > > > > > > > dishonest. > > > > > > > > > > Which is what you are doing: you pretend that DDD calls= some=20 > > > > > > > > > > other HHH > > > > > > > > > > that doesn=E2=80=99t abort. > > > > > > > > > DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its "return" instructi= on=20 > > > > > > > > > final halt > > > > > > > > > state whether HHH aborts its emulation or not. > > > > > > > > When DDD calls a simulator that aborts, that simulator retu= rns to=20 > > > > > > > > DDD, > > > > > > > > which then halts. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > It is not the same DDD as the DDD under test. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > If the DDD under the test is not the same as DDD then the test > > > > > > is performed incorrectly and the test result is not valid. > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > The DDD under test IS THE INPUT DDD > > > > > IT IS STUPIDLY WRONG-HEADED TO THINK OTHERWISE. > > > >=20 > > > > I agree that there is only one DDD but above you said otherwise. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > That is a ridiculously stupid thing to say because we > > > already know that DDD emulated by HHH emulates itself > > > emulating DDD and DDD emulated by HHH1 *DOES NOT DO THAT* > >=20 > > You are free to laugh if you think the truth is stupid. > >=20 >=20 > This is my life's only legacy that I really want to complete > before I die. >=20 If so, I recommend donate your body(brain) after death for medical research= es, and with appendix saying "this is the brain created POOH".