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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 02:09:50 +0000
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 0:12:29 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:40:46 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:21:42 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>>> At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.  I
>>>>>> don't recall who started it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into
>>>>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a
>>>>> Pickering troll.
>>>>
>>>> You're opening sentence is a delusional lie, George.  I never formed any
>>>> team.  There was no "Team Monkey."
>>>>
>>>> I was on a friendly basis with Jim from the first time he posted here
>>>> (that is to say, the first time after my having joined the group).
>>>
>>> Everyone was on a friendly basis with him originally; he mostly posted
>>> his own poetry; mostly the same dozen or less poems that we'd all read,
>>> with the titles constantly changing so we'd read them again, but no one
>>> flamed him for that. If he got into a flamewar with Stephan over
>>> Ginsberg (and I'll accept your claim that that came first), that would
>>> have been his first flamewar. But when he got into his flamewar with
>>> Stephan (possibly  because he was upset that Stephan had been "impolite"
>>> to him), and because you were also upset that Stephan had been
>>> "impolite" to you), the two of you began to flame Stephan together. You
>>> went from having a friendly relationship to forming a troll alliance.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>> We remained in a friendly relationship.
>>
>> Fighting Pickles did not affect this in any way.
>>
>>
>>>> When NancyGene first came to the group, she was trolling Pickles -- and
>>>> since Pickles was your Donkey's ally, she soon joined Brooke, ME, Usenet
>>>> Editor, and friends in attacking the Donkey. Since I was also an ally
>>>> of your Donkey, I joined the Donkey in attacking them.
>>>
>>> So "Dr." NastyGoon (who was trolling and flaming Stephan) formed an
>>> alliance with mini-ME (who was trolling and flaming Will) to troll and
>>> flame both of them; and because you and your Chimp also had an alliance
>>> to troll and flame Stephan, the four of you formed an alliance to troll
>>> and flame both of of them. That's the genesis of "Team Monkey" in a
>>> nutshell.
>>
>> Do you have any idea how batshit crazy half-witted that sounds?
>>
>> Don't answer, the question was rhetorical.
>>
>>
>>>> When they showed that they were willing to work with me in establishing
>>>> peace at AAPC, I stopped fighting with them.  Stopping fights is the
>>>> first step to establishing peace.
>>>
>>> But, as you've just told us, you didn't establish any peace or stopping
>>> any fights.
>>
>> Lie!  I just told you that I stopped fighting with NancyGene and ME.
>>
>> How dense are you?
>>
>> *Again, the above question is rhetorical.
>>
>>
>>> You just switched from (allegedly) attacking them to
>>> attacking Will and Stephan - you formed the troll alliance alliance that
>>> I later called "Team Monkey". To continue:
>>
>> Lie!
>>
>> I did not start attacking Will at that time.  I merely stopped attacking
>> NancyGene and ME on his behalf (a fact which he whined about endlessly).
>>
>>
>>>>> The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler,
>>>>> where
>>>>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The
>>>>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in
>>>>> JIm
>>>>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned
>>>>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor STephan realized that you were
>>>>> manipulating them for that outcome.
>>>
>>>> Eventually I came to like and respect
>>>> NancyGene and ME, and we became friends.  This was a nature progression
>>>> of our engaging in friendly poetry-related discussions together -- and
>>>> had nothing to do with having created some made up "Team."
>>>
>>> You became allies (or, to use your term, online "friends") with two
>>> trolls and the four of you then began trolling and flaming Will and
>>> Stephan. You just don't like my calling your alliance "Team Monkey."
>
> I'll reply in depth when I get to your post, George, but that's correct.
>
>> I did not start trolling Will until after the *second* time he seconded
>> Pickles' post/poem depicting me as a "paedophile."
>
> Again, the poem never seemed to be "about you" Harry, that's just the
> way you decided to interpret the poem.

Pickles used the name "PaedoScarlotti" in the poem!  How is that a
matter of interpretation?


>> This was two years after NancyGene, ME, Jim and I became friends.
>>
>>>> You might also recall that I was *not* attacking the Donkey at that
>>>> time.  Rather than having formed an anti-Donkey team, I had taken a
>>>> neutral position and adopted a friendly stance toward both sides.
>>>
>>> Of course it's better for a team to attack one person at a time; but of
>>> course you had to start trolling and flaming Will, since
>>> "Dr." NastyGoon and mini-ME were already trolling him as well.
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> Will and I had been maintaining an uneasy state of civility towards one
>> another, out of respect for our former friendship.
>>
>> It was only after Will seconded Pickles' "paedophile" accusation --
>
> It was simply a poem, not an accusation.

If I had written dozens of posts accusing you of being a "paedophile,"
addressed you as "PaedoDockery," then wrote a poem about "PaedoDockery"
would it simply be a poem?


>> The first time this happened, Will claimed that he had been applauding
>> Pickles' poem in general -- agreeing with its content
>
> The poems didn't really seem to be about you, Harry.
>
> I think you were being a bit paranoid and delusional at that time.

And I think that you're not so stupid as not to realize that the act of
calling me "PaedoScarlotti" is an implicit accusation that I am a
paedophile.

>
>>>> began openly opposing my attempts to establish peace.
>
> Completely untrue, I stated to the end that I was in favor of peace and
> that we could have peace immediately by simply stopping the fighting.

You wanted us to stop attacking you, but refused to stop flooding the
newsgroup with your 50+ slurp posts and "Hello Jordy" posts a day in
return.

To put it more bluntly, you were saying the equivalent of: "I'll do
whatever I damn well please.  If you don't like it, just skip and
ignore."

>
> Michael Pendragon showed over and over that he didn't really have any
> interest in peace.

I was willing to make compromises and concessions.  You were not.


>>> Once again, your trolling and flaming were doing nothing to "establish
>>> peace" on the group. In fact, by bringing the flamewars into your
>>> Chimp's Sunday Sampler, you had destroyed the one oasis of peace.
>
> The troll thugs were determined to drive Stephan Pickering from the
> poetry newsgroups at any cost, as the archives show.

Lie.  I never tried to drive Pickles out.  I killed the little mofo.

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