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JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On 24/06/2025 10:29, Xocyll wrote:
>> JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
>> spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>> 
>>> On 23/06/2025 18:25, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>> Twenty years ago, I was all on the side of 'build your own' but these
>>>> days? You get almost the same cost/value benefit from OEMs, and a lot
>>>> more ease of use. I still like tinkering and building my own rigs, but
>>>> I get value from_that_ and don't really see it in the end-product
>>>> itself while playing games.
>>>
>>> Personally I still build (well I like to say assemble as build sounds
>>> far to grand for what you actually do) my own and it probable does save
>>> me money as I can reuse parts and do minor refreshes when required. It
>>> also means I don't end up with LED's everywhere!
>> 
>> I don't mind the LEDs, as long as I don't have to pay extra.
>> In fact my ram has bloody lights on it as do the fans I bought, simply
>> because it would have cost more to get em without (the fans were on
>> clearance at 1/3rd normal price, and they're basic red lighting not
>> rainbow and don't look bad with a black case.)
>> 
>The nearest I've got to a LED in my PC is the MB has a very small strip 
>running near the edge of it which lights up when it's powered. It would 
>have been useful when I was having problems with my last PC that turned 
>out to be a dodgy PSU.
>
>>> Generally though I say go with an OEM/pre-built mainly because most
>>> people don't have the expertise (or confidence) to either select the
>>> parts or put them together. The latter part isn't hard if you have some
>>> knowledge but lots of people (I'd imagine the norm by far) don't even
>>> have that minimum.
>> 
>> I've always said that assembling a computer is about as hard as playing
>> with LEGOs (and I started saying that back in the days when everything
>> had a jumper to set.)
>> Unfortunately, there exist in the world, people who would be incapable
>> of playing with LEGOs.
>> 
>I think that's where the confidence part comes in. I know lots of people 
>who think that putting together the parts of a PC is some sort of magic 
>without realising that everything is sized/keyed so you don't have to 
>worry about it. Saying that for my last upgrade I did get a combined 
>MB/CPU/RAM on the grounds you could pretty much select which ones you 
>want and I always hate the CPU part.

Even the CPU is a drop in part, it literally only goes in one way, but
yeah I can see avoiding it if you can.

>>> I remember going around a friend of my better half's house to help him
>>> with his PC. I don't know what he had done but a best guess was he tried
>>> to remove the DVI cable from PC not realising that you have to undo the
>>> screws first, it wasn't pretty.
>> 
>> Oh look, you found one of the LEGO challenged.
>> 
>> Now imagine him changing his brake pads.
>> 
>When it comes to the car I do basically nothing beyond filling up 
>windscreen washer fluid. Everything else someone else can do it. Even 
>when it came to changing one of the reverse lights I was going to do it 
>myself as looking on YouTube made it look easy. I'm glad I didn't as in 
>the end it turned out not to be not so easy and even the guy who did it 
>said it was one of those cars that he doesn't like doing as it's really 
>fiddly.

Yeah it can really depend heavily on the make and model of car - some
manufacturers do the stupidest shit.
Like those Japanese cars where the engine is shoehorned in so tight, you
have to pull it out to change the spark plugs on one side.
Who thought that was a good idea?

>I also had one of my friends berate me for not knowing how to change a 
>wheel (technical I kinda do know how to do it even though I've never 
>done it) as what happens if I get a puncture. I kindly pointed out that 
>the car had run flat tyres so you can get to a garage and just as 
>importantly there is no spare wheel.

Most cars do not have run flats, but yeah I hear ya on the spare, the
most you get these days is one of those tiny "space saver" donut tires.

>The positive though, we have a garage near us that does a good job and 
>also won't rip you off which is more that can be said for the official 
>dealer. I stopped using them for anything many years ago after during a 
>service they charged £35 just for topping up the windscreen washer 
>fluid. How the feck can you justify that price as an additional cost of 
>a service.

You answered that with your first line "When it comes to the car I do
basically nothing beyond filling up windscreen washer fluid."

When they have clients incapable of doing the most basic things, they
charge em for it.

They're happy to pay, since it absolves them of having to think.

Xocyll
-- 
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of 
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably, 
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So 
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr