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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: RF Metrology Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 10:28:20 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: <5e68gjlrthsm7md4ct46gu3huoaqgr8h0g@4ax.com> References: <mu1jfjtd6521pp9nb0kubcorkkkdh20gu3@4ax.com> <vdubbp$19e91$1@dont-email.me> <kph5gjd7ha4mqhhcnp761fief08km5edqj@4ax.com> <vdui3d$1aevd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 19:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d5e1a85ca82f1c813906f7c7546da42b"; logging-data="1900124"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+vyutmeUl9bxRffDwzoXM+" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:iwSJfLJaGhAItOKBuc6sZYfdwdg= Bytes: 3872 On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 19:44:23 +0200, Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >On 10/6/24 19:26, john larkin wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 17:46:02 +0200, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund >> <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 29-09-2024 19:14, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>>> Greetings, gentlemen, >>>> >>>> I bought one of those TinySA Ultras recently and have spent some time >>>> testing it today. I have to say it's amazing what they've done for the >>>> price. I mean, truly amazing. I do have two other 'proper' lab-grade >>>> RF spectrum analyzers, but I think I'm going to be mostly using the >>>> TinySA in future as it's just *so* convenient and doesn't weigh a ton. >>>> Anyway, to get back to the point of this post, having checked out the >>>> TSA and establishing I didn't buy one of the fake versions that are >>>> out there, I turned my attention to my mid-level RF SA, an HP who's >>>> model number escapes me (not the 8566B I've posted here about before >>>> which is now fully working, but a newer model that's about 1/3 as >>>> heavy. I say I can't recall the model number but it's not relevant to >>>> this question anyway. "So what is the fucking question, CD??" I hear >>>> you not unreasonably cry. Well, it's this: >>>> When I'm feeding an RF signal into the SA, I'm seeing differing >>>> amplitudes at different frequencies. So I've programmed in a sweep >>>> from 10Mhz to 5.4Ghz at -49dBm using my Aeroflex RF signal generator >>>> and I'm seeing the displayed amplitude vary as it sweeps through the >>>> range. But this only happens when I'm using a cheap, Chinese N-type to >>>> SMA adaptor at the signal generator output. Would I be right to >>>> suspect some imperfection in the manufacturing of the adaptor could >>>> cause such an effect? I do have a VNA I could characterize the adaptor >>>> with but it's a bit of an effort to do. It would seem like the SA is >>>> showing the adaptor's shortcomings in the frequency domain. But is >>>> that a feasible hypothesis? >>>> >>> Measurement of good vs bad cables: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFDxQjJAdA&t=50s >>> >> >> I solved a billion-dollar showstopper last year. Some country started >> demanding that some expensive semi fab gear be EMI tested, and our >> units failed. After great hassle we traced it to bad ground crimps on >> shielded CAT5 cables that our customer bought cheap. > >I bought a set of phase-matched cables from Taiwanese company >JYEBAO because my usual supplier Huber & Suhner failed to >answer a quote request. I was pleased to find that JYEBAO's >cables were *better* than H+S, and cheaper too. > >Jeroen Belleman So ar, the generic cheap Amazon SMA and SMB cables have been excellent. As have been the edge-launch connectors. The Shining Star connectors are great too.