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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Does Dimdows Know What Time It Is? Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2024 08:26:51 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: <5hqnfjlho4m2gbj9u8d9bhqnj8cg5v74bv@4ax.com> References: <vda0ko$1e457$1@dont-email.me> <vdc82s$1rmvl$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2024 14:26:51 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fe7cbd131aff3ad863f4f171288df225"; logging-data="2876269"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX185efbczblIrK81OllaFgTyepnhMzSKADo=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:O/SjmN6CAP9T3UGWRiAuCJ7A/ME= OS: openSUSE Leap 15.6, with Wine 9.0 for WinAPI Bytes: 3341 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote: >On 9/28/2024 6:40 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> Something Unix did that was different from most other OSes was, its system >> clock kept time in UTC (or GMT, in pre-UTC days). Linux does the same. >> When you use a command like “date” to see what the current date and time >> is, it converts that UTC time to a local time in some specified timezone. >> Changing the timezone is as easy as specifying a new value for the TZ >> environment variable. >> >> Windows, on the other hand, keeps its system clock in local time, in some >> specific time zone that is assumed to apply systemwide. >> >> This is a particularly dumb idea when you realize how much it complicates >> things if your time zone has daylight saving time. We have seen this sort >> of thing happen on Windows systems before, where they might forget to >> adjust the clock to start/stop daylight saving, or even adjust it twice so >> you end up being an hour off in the opposite direction. >> >> This can’t happen on Linux systems, because there is no turning daylight >> saving “on” or “off” as such: there is simply a table of local time >> offsets (from the “tzdata” files), and the correct offset to apply depends >> only on the actual UTC time value, not on the current setting of any >> system flag. >> >> This also makes it easy to convert between UTC and local times at any time >> in the past, for any time zone. > > >I NEVER trust Linux to keep time. I've encountered several occurrences >of it dropping 5-7 minutes over a 1-hour period. > > >* user error >* Linux is just the kernel >* RTFM newb >* Linux is perfect >* you're lying >* works for me >* you have the source code, fix it yourself Why is something other than the hardware clock determining the system time, on either OS? -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.