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Path: ...!news.misty.com!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: To sum up Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2025 09:52:56 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <5lugqjdnsvittjen93pu5b44bq8h8tccvh@4ax.com> References: <vo1kt4$2r8m5$1@dont-email.me> <tq29qjl9ln2s9uou8c4da1r6dpmidesnsd@4ax.com> <6qceqjhouj6a1r7cj9s1f7npgc406nbfqv@4ax.com> <vo7dmt$qvu$1@dont-email.me> <58leqjt7sftjfilii9rctp5udtul1s9qt2@4ax.com> <vo9o72$h13g$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="23028"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:l2CXvcle7zji08v6Wxpv73eZDXw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 11C4D22978C; Sun, 09 Feb 2025 04:53:07 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC88F229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 09 Feb 2025 04:53:04 -0500 (EST) id 31E931C087C; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 09:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 270661C031F for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 09:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2CB5FD81 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 09:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/4F2CB5FD81; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 09FE2DC01CA; Sun, 9 Feb 2025 10:52:57 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2025 10:52:57 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/QqBUO6bRKjEJyBxJMU3V/qrviqyB2Db4= HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4500 On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 19:15:29 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >On 9/02/2025 12:02 am, Martin Harran wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 22:03:57 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 8/02/2025 9:39 pm, Martin Harran wrote: >>>> On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 10:17:26 +0000, Martin Harran >>>> <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:29:54 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Has talk.origins run its course, with this incarnation (post-GG >>>>>> meteorite impact) the last of the dinosaurs? >>>>>> >>>>>> And what of the Origins debate? My contention is that progressive >>>>>> discoveries with the complexity and precision of life are making Mt >>>>>> Improbable higher and higher [1]. ID has gained and sustained traction >>>>>> because this trend is real. >>>>> >>>>> What evidence have you got that ID has gained and sustained traction? >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>> >>>> So, nothing to offer. Appears to be just another example of you >>>> thinking something *should* be true just because you would like it to >>>> be true. >>>> >>> >>> No response does not equal nothing to offer, especially in this context, >>> as we both well know. >> >> You choosing to moan about my "cheap shot", rather than demolishing my >> point by offering some evidence, speaks volumes. > >Okay, I'm happy to do a reset, and accept some blame here. For clarification - are you now dropping your claim that ID has gained and sustained traction? > >I am interested in reviewing the state of ID. I'm somewhat ambivalent >about ID myself actually, though I think it does have merit. I'll start >a new post to give the invitation visibility (i.e. paint a target on >myself). > >> >> >>> >>> Once again, a cheap shot over substantive comment, with a disregard for >>> logic. I don't believe you're engaging in good faith, Martin. >>> >>