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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: People Without Meaningful Lives Seek Power Over Others
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:10:54 +0700
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 19:40:08 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/23/2025 7:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/23/2025 6:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/23/2025 2:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/23/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/23/2025 12:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/23/2025 6:23 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/22/2025 10:03 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, I think if we could do so, road taxes should 
>>>>>>>> all be on such a per-mile-driven system, maybe 
>>>>>>>> modified additionally for the weight of the vehicle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Texas tried it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.dallasnews.com/news/ 
>>>>>>> investigations/2024/10/23/ a-look- at- texas-private- 
>>>>>>> toll-roads/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at least in one case, it didn't go so well:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-tollway-288-steep- 
>>>>>>> price/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Since the tollway opened in November 2020, toll rates 
>>>>>>> have increased by more than 160 percent, going from 
>>>>>>> $11 for the full 20- mile round trip during peak hours 
>>>>>>> to $29 dollars now. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That looks like an astonishingly bad agreement between 
>>>>>> the government and BTG corporation. But note that BTG 
>>>>>> paid only a third of the cost of construction, so even 
>>>>>> that "private" toll road was heavily subsidized by 
>>>>>> taxpayers. I'm pointing this out to those who say rail 
>>>>>> transport should cover all its expenses via fares, with 
>>>>>> zero subsidies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To try for a broader overview of road taxes: There are 
>>>>>> people who never drive, and people who drive far more 
>>>>>> than others. Since the vast majority of road-related 
>>>>>> expenses are _not_ covered by gasoline taxes, why 
>>>>>> should a non-driver pay the same road taxes as a mega- 
>>>>>> driver?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not tie those taxes the amount of roadway used by 
>>>>>> each driver, since that (as well as vehicle weight) is 
>>>>>> a main determinant of roadway expenses? After all, 
>>>>>> train fares are strongly affected by the the rider's 
>>>>>> travel distance - IOW the amount of track used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To allay the fears of the paranoid: The government 
>>>>>> wouldn't need to track your movements. You'd simply 
>>>>>> need to submit evidence of your odometer total once per 
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems to me the crew that says "Let the market decide" 
>>>>>> should be all in favor of this idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And please note, I'm not making this argument for my 
>>>>>> own benefit. Quite the opposite! As I've said, my life 
>>>>>> situation has changed in a way that makes me driver far 
>>>>>> more annual miles than I ever did before, and I'm doing 
>>>>>> it in an EV. I'm pretty sure I'm paying less than "my 
>>>>>> share" of roadway expenses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Many (I included) would sharply resist such government 
>>>>> motoring of my auto use. That's a political barrier, not 
>>>>> a technical issue.
>>>>
>>>> Of course you, and many others, would dislike such a 
>>>> scheme! So yes, like many things, it's a political issue. 
>>>> Everybody wants better services but they don't want to 
>>>> pay for them. (Our classic example here is better law 
>>>> enforcement and more prisons, magically paid for by "No 
>>>> new taxes!")
>>>>
>>>>> Also, people who do not own or use motor vehicles still 
>>>>> consume myriad products all of which are transported by 
>>>>> motor freight (even air & rail have 'last mile' truck 
>>>>> delivery). They pay road tax with every purchase, plus a 
>>>>> markup.
>>>>
>>>> Of course. And they'd still pay that way, through normal 
>>>> sales tax and purchase price, as they do now. But in 
>>>> principle, their total tax burden should be less, since 
>>>> those who made private use of the roads would be paying a 
>>>> bit closer to their fair share.
>>>>
>>>> It seems downright socialistic to charge non-drivers the 
>>>> same as drivers for roads whose potholes and other wear 
>>>> the non-drivers never generate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The principle is sound, that we all bear the cost of 
>>> shared infrastructure.
>> 
>> But I'm saying those who "share" it less should pay less.
>> 
>> Non-drivers get less for their tax money.
>> 
>>>
>>> In practice, many people are rubbed the wrong way by being 
>>> taxed for things which never get finished, never meet 
>>> goals, never benefit the citizenry.
>>>
>>> Such as Chicago property taxes, which are relatively high 
>>> for US cities, pretending to 'graduate' illiterates at 
>>> $30,000 each per year. We all have our own egregious 
>>> examples I'm sure from potholes to bicycle paths.
>> 
>> OK, I'll stop complaining unfair road taxes on non-drivers 
>> if you stop complaining about Chicago student performance. 
>> Deal?   ;-)
>> 
>> 
>
>It's merely an example with which I am very familiar.
>
>No different from Baltimore (arguably the worst public 
>school system in USA) or Hartford:
>
>https://ctmirror.org/2024/09/29/cant-read-high-school-ct-hartford/

When I was in the Air Force I had a guy that was much the same - he
could read but didn't understand what it meant.

He was getting along well until I sent him off to take his "skill
level"  test and he failed it.

Now like most supervisors I had, by asking my people who took the
skill tests to sit down and write down  as many of the questions as
they could remember as soon as they got back from taking the test,
accumulated most all of the test questions, which I had covered during
my training, so this seem unusual, to say the least.

So, after "training him some more - asking him to answer the test
question - over and over, I sent him off to retake the test... and he
failed it again.

I don't know what made me think of it but I asked the test department
if he could tale the test orally and they agreed. He took it again and
got every question correct.

-- 
Cheers,

John B.