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From: jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: How is the Intelligent Design Movement Doing?
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2025 00:58:56 -0400
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 17:21:21 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
wrote:

>https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/how-is-the-intelligent-design-movement-doi=
ng-interview-with-william-dembski
>
>I found this Dembski interview while looking for any evidence that the=20
>ID bait and switch scam had any type of future.  The interview was from=20
>2016 a couple of years before Dembski had retired from the ID scam as an=
=20
>abject failure.  None of Dembski's junk made it into the Top Six, so=20
>that tells you how highly Dembski's "ID science" was regarded by the=20
>other ID perps in 2017.
>
>As crazy as it may seem along with the usual lies about ID still being=20
>viable for anything but bait, Dembski is admitting that the ID perps=20
>wanted more religious support from more Christian denominations.  This=20
>indicates what a lie the ID scam science claims have always been.  Real=20
>science does not need support from organized religion.
>
>QUOTE:
>(2) In my remarks about the role of the church in advancing ID, I was=20
>trying to be a bit provocative to get people thinking. To be sure,=20
>well-wishers of ID abound in Christian circles. But how many are willing=
=20
>to put their necks on the chopping block and make a real difference in=20
>the scientific and cultural debate? As 19th century activist Annie=20
>Besant put it:
>
>Plenty of people wish well to any good cause, but very few care to exert=
=20
>themselves to help it, and still fewer will risk anything in its=20
>support. =E2=80=9CSome one ought to do it, but why should I?=E2=80=9D is=
 the ever=20
>re-echoed phrase of weak-kneed amiability. =E2=80=9CSome one ought to do=
 it, so=20
>why not I?=E2=80=9D is the cry of some earnest servant of man, eagerly =
forward=20
>springing to face some perilous duty.
>
>So, how much good has the Christian community really done in advancing=20
>ID? Sure, there have been pockets of genuine support in the Christian=20
>community. But why is the first and only ID think-tank/research center=20
>at a Christian college or university Baylor's Michael Polanyi Center=20
>(which I founded in 1999, and which was dismantled the following year=20
>--- thanks in this case not to young-earth creationists but to theistic=20
>evolutionists)? And why is the $100M spent on a Noah's Ark theme park=20
>several times more than has been spent on all ID efforts over the last=20
>20 years? Let's get some sense of proportion.
>END QUOTE:
>
>The ID perps have disenfranchised most of the YEC denominations because=20
>they have run the bait and switch on the creationist rubes too many=20
>times, and nearly all of them have dropped the issue instead of bending=20
>over for the switch scam.  The creationists rubes do not want to teach=20
>the obfuscation and denial if they can't tell the students the religious=
=20
>reason for lying to them.  West Virginia in 2024 indicates that there=20
>are still YEC creationist rubes that will take the bait, but it is=20
>obviously for dishonest religious reasons.
>
>You should read this interview in context.  Dembski got first hand=20
>experience with what type of theocracy the ID perps were trying to=20
>recreate by being forced to recant and apologize to his students at the=20
>religious college he was teaching at, in order to keep his job.  He had=20
>just told them the truth, that the earth and universe were likely much=20
>older than depicted in the Bible and that the Noachian flood was likely=20
>local instead of global.  If he had not recanted and apologized he would=
=20
>have been fired.  As it was his contract was not renewed and Dembski=20
>ended up working full time for the ID scam unit of the Discovery=20
>Institute putting out ID as bait.  Dembski failed to produce any=20
>convincing ID science scam material that could be used as useful bait,=20
>and Dembski "retired" from the ID scam and the Discovery Institute in=20
>2014 (I think it was 2014).  He claimed that he was moving on from the=20
>ID scam, and wanted to go into education.  He was a failure at trying to=
=20
>turn a new leaf and got hired back at the ID scam unit a couple of years=
=20
>after this interview (after the ID perps had killed ID on TO by putting=20
>out the Top Six best evidences for ID at the end of 2017).
>
>Ron Okimoto


My impression is the movement has shifted its strategy, from pushing
to teach ID in public schools, to using public taxes to pay for
private schools.  Along with SCOTUS providing religious exemptions for
otherwise illegal activity, eliminating the Department of Education,
as Trump advocates, would practically guarantee this to happen.

People like Stephen Meyer, a longtime ID advocate, has teamed up with
Prager University to spread the word:

<https://intelligentdesign.org/prageru/>
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