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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 19:56:50 +0100 Organization: @home Lines: 81 Message-ID: <5vp5uj51c7cdkbc1uo79pkjr9r77fvrnoe@4ax.com> References: <vrru3v$152e3$3@dont-email.me> <vrrvqs$1816i$1@dont-email.me> <vrs3qh$19skh$3@dont-email.me> <vrs44b$1bva2$1@dont-email.me> <vrshuc$1o91s$1@dont-email.me> <6MnEP.483428$f81.458565@fx48.iad> <vruekv$3fet8$6@dont-email.me> <vruiud$3k0mh$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 5vzMtLrBz3l3LvfvlDoaPQBzVXO0GysXbbwXlj+APb/JFwqin5 X-Orig-Path: mystrobl.de!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:DTyUwO/nd0X8gUV30BxkeQYjmiw= sha256:4oPLBKPWRFWiECDb6CkOVja6omg4VfU1BzIrDcpTn2k= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 4911 Am Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:43:09 +0100 schrieb Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>: >Am 25.03.2025 um 15:29 schrieb Frank Krygowski: >> On 3/24/2025 9:36 PM, cyclintom wrote: >>> On Mon Mar 24 17:13:48 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm stating my opinion in a discussion group. You should be able to >>>> tolerate that, especially since over the years I've backed up my opinion >>>> with mountains of data. >>>> >>>> Please note that your statements above, about the nasty "leftover >>>> affects" and "you can fall over bad just barely moving" apply exactly as >>>> well to running. Yet I'll bet you'd hate hearing that all runners should >>>> always wear a helmet when running. >>>> >>>> The only real difference is you haven't yet expressed your hatred for >>>> running helmets. >>> >>> Frank, you deo not run, do you? >> >> On occasion I do, usually with some reluctance. >> >>> The entire human skeletal structure is designed by God specifically >>> for running. >> >> If God had meant for us to be running, he would not have given us >> bicycles. ;-) >> >>> While you CAN fall completely out of control it is not the case with >>> any experienced runners or even speed walkers. >> >> It's also not the case for me on a bicycle. Only three moving on-road >> falls in over 50 years of riding. Zero head injuries. Most avid cyclists >> never ever hit their head, and certainly never hard enough to induce >> brain injury. > >Attention: the reflexes keeping our heads away from the ground are >strongly reduced by old age and by inebriation. I sincerely plan to >start wearing a bicycle helmet from age 80 onwards and not to ride an >upright bicycle when drunk (on the recumbent, the distance to ground is >halved) ;-) A former work colleague crashed his recumbent bike in winter on his commute due to slippery snow. He suffered a serious spinal injury. His helmet didn't help. For some time now, an accident has forced me to do something that I actually wanted to avoid, namely exercise, especially strength training, muscle-building training and the like. This also includes some gymnastics and balance exercises, which aim to train secondary muscles but also train reflexes. Reflexes and strength decline with age, that's for sure. But not necessarily at the same rate for everyone. Use it or lose it. All my bicycles are of the conventional upright type. I don't have to plan not riding any of these when drunk, because I don't ride or drive with alcohol in my blood. I did it once, shortly before the birth of our first son, when phoned by the hospital at midnight. I hadn't expected tze call that day anymore and had just consumed a half-liter bottle of beer. I drove very carefully across the completely empty highway to the neighboring town twenty kilometers away. I sweated blood the whole time. With an expected BAC of 0.3 ‰ I would still be below the current limit today, but I found it unpleasant enough not to want to repeat it and so never did. Originally I wasn't so strict about short distance bike rides after a party in my youth, but a mostly harmless accident had changed my mind much earlier. It is not so much the reflexes whose delay is a problem while riding, it is the judgment, which suffers from even small amounts of alcohol. Don't assume that there isn't a knee-high wall just because you can't see one in the dark and don't remember a wall there. :-) My ribs hurt for a few weeks, my pride was wounded and I had learned something. That's all that happened. TL;RD If you think that you are risking your head when cycling because of your age, you should start wearing a helmet while walking first. Especially if you climb stairs. Even more so when doing it hands-free. PS: Only half kidding. -- Bicycle helmets are the Bach flower remedies of traffic