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From: shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
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Subject: Re: The Hypocrisy of Luigi Mangione's Leftist Fandom
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2024 17:02:45 -0500
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On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 16:08:20 -0500, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On 2024-12-25 3:22 PM, shawn wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 14:28:07 -0500, Rhino
>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2024-12-25 1:50 PM, super70s wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-25 01:36:44 +0000, BTR1701 said:
>>>>
>>>>> According to the Left, the death penalty is unfair, unjust, immoral, and
>>>>> evil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you have the opportunity to walk up to a rich guy you don't
>>>>> like on
>>>>> the sidewalk and shoot him in the back. The only form of the death
>>>>> penalty
>>>>> that's okay for the Left is the form that doesn't include a judge,
>>>>> jury, or
>>>>> court, and where the executed person has not been charged with, convicted
>>>>> of, or even accused of any specific crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the actual position of millions of leftists in this country.
>>>>> Not a
>>>>> straw man. It's what they believe.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you presume Mangione's fandom is "leftist" exclusively?
>>>
>>> Because you leftist types love anything that can be portrayed as a blow
>>> against capitalism and assassinating a CEO absolutely SCREAMS "Down with
>>> Capitalism!"
>> 
>> The only people I see supporting Mangione were just average people on
>> Twitter. While I'm sure some would be considered on the left I
>> couldn't tell you if they were all on the left or just partly on the
>> left. I don't see any media types on the left or right supporting him.
>> 
>How are you determining the political inclinations of people on Twitter, 
>particularly if they are "average", which presumably means unknown to 
>you, as opposed to famous people? In other words, how do you know that 
>these "average" people aren't just as far left as AOC or Bernie Sanders?

Based on their words. How else would one determine anyone's political
inclinations based on a text centered communication platform?

>> What I do see is many people hating on the current health care
>> industry and supporting anything that gets them to change their ways.
>> The problem is that it's not at all clear that killing that CEO does
>> anything but get the other CEOs to close ranks. I've seen posts from
>> other CEOs decrying the attack but not commenting on what the CEO had
>> done as the CEO of that health care company. (Having the largest
>> number of rejected claims by far from every health care insurance
>> company.)
>> 
>I've seen claims from people in comments under news stories about 
>Mangione that say they've mysteriously found themselves getting their 
>claims approved since the murder, claims that had previously been 
>rejected. 

I haven't seen that but then I haven't been on Twitter in the last
couple of days so I have no idea what claims are being made. 

>I have no idea how credible those claims are. I can't help but 
>wonder if they are part of an initiative to give oxygen to the crowd 
>that is cheering on the murder: "See? Kill one of their executives and 
>claims start being accepted. Maybe we need to think about killing more 
>of them...." Of course this could be a complete lie.

Or it's just people seeking a bit of attention by making such a claim.
It's not like anyone is going to actually check their claims and get
them in some sort of trouble if they were found to be lying on
Twitter.

>Why doesn't someone start a health insurance firm that is willing to set 
>itself an objective - and promise its customers - that they will be 
>satisfied by a profit of, say 10% per year with any additional profit 
>being paid back to customers in rebates on their premiums or reduced 
>co-pays? If they could be satisfied with a modest profit, I would think 
>they would be attractive to customers.


It seems like Blue Cross is doing close to that. In that at least they
were found to be the best at actually approving claims. Of course that
still raises questions about 5-7% of claims that they deny but I
haven't seen any follow up that looked into the validity of those
claims that were denied by the company.

>
>>>>
>>>> I thought Donald Trump (allegedly) had this big populist appeal going
>>>> and one would think that would include sticking it to health insurance
>>>> companies.
>> 
>> Has he even commented on the reasons behind the attack? I mean
>> everyone can (or should) be able to say that murder is bad, but that
>> still leaves the reasons behind the attack unsaid by many.
>>   
>>