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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: connected lights
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:06:51 -0400
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:14:03 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/12/2024 4:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 9/12/2024 8:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 9/11/2024 4:42 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 9/11/2024 5:34 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/11/2024 3:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/11/2024 3:37 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 11 Sep 2024 17:23:22 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is also the fact I like lights that can kick out more oomph
>>>>>>>>> that a
>>>>>>>>> Dynamo can do, and I’m not wild on such cut off beams, while my
>>>>>>>>> commute
>>>>>>>>> light has a low wide beam on low, ie fine around town and so on,
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> High Beam to give a bit more punch in the woods and so on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my experience, a modern, StVZO-conforming LED based headlight is
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> than good enough for riding in city traffic. More power usually only
>>>>>>>> serves to blind other cyclists and still can't compete with car
>>>>>>>> headlights. Riding in the woods and in the dark, on the other hand, is
>>>>>>>> better done using a weaker, but wider beam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only reasonable need I see for more powerful headlights is when
>>>>>>>> driving on unlit rural roads. Here you need a powerful low beam and
>>>>>>>> sometimes also a high beam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree woods riding is different than road riding. But I've done
>>>>>>> lots of unlit road riding with dyno lights and no problems. So have
>>>>>>> countless randonneurs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Night vision varies, I'm sure; but I believe the general desire for
>>>>>>> more and more and more lumens is caused by the same mechanism the
>>>>>>> triggers the desire for more and more rear cogs, less and less bike
>>>>>>> weight, bigger and bigger pickup trucks, etc. After a while, people
>>>>>>> are chasing advertising copy or quickly diminishing returns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've repeated that for years, implying that unlike mere mortals you
>>>>>> are magically immune to the evil spell of marketers. OK, that could
>>>>>> be true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or maybe other people actually ride offroad and actually need
>>>>>> brighter lights than you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read again, Andrew. See where I said "I agree woods riding is
>>>>> different than road riding"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And all the others inbetween who may very rarely ride offroad without
>>>> ambient streetlights but want the capacity, people who use the wondrous
>>>> little things for car repair and the like (me, just not on my bicycle),
>>>> people who just want 'the best one' and yes some amount of the Veblen
>>>> effect.
>>>>
>>>> As with most consumer decisions, sorting out motive is a fool's errand
>>>> as people sincerely misstate motive as they sometimes don't have any
>>>> conscious logical process.
>>>
>>> Understood. Your near-default point is "Everyone's decision is correct."
>>>
>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go to extremes to be safe,
>>> especially on a bike."
>> 
>> My frequent point is that safe is a subjective evaluation.
>> 
>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't.
>> 
>> I feel safe having guns in my home, you don't.
>> 
>
>And you are both correct for your personal situation, 
>abilities, taste etc.

Agreed

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