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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2025 18:10:44 +0000
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 7:13:22 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 17:30:33 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 1:56:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 18:58:18 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 2:20:10 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 15:29:37 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:07:47 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 18:47:06 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Do I have "enemies" here?  That's a strong word.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every member of your "Team Donkey" enemies list - Will, Zod, Jordy,
>>>>> Rachel, and myself - is posting here.
>
> They aren't the only people you've marked as "enemies" of course - but
> you drove all the others away before you made up "Team Donkey".

Just as you and your Donkey claimed I'd driven away Richard, Bob, and
Karen?

Wake up and smell the coffee, George.  Your Donkey is the one who's
driven everyone away.  He's even admitted it: "There's nobody here but
me, Chuck.  I've driven every last one of them away..!"


>>>> 1) I don't view any of you as enemies, George.  We merely hold different
>>>> views as to how AAPC should operate.  I felt that a *poetry* group
>>>> should limit the bulk of its discussions to *poetry.*
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, your posts bely you, MMP. The bulk of what you post here,
>>> even of your "poetry" and your "poetry discussions" is either (1)
>>> scurrilous
>>> gossip about the members
>>> of "Team Donkey" or (2) flame wars with the members of "Team Donkey".
>>
>> FACT: My posts to AAPC FB, do nothing of the sort.
>
> Who cares what you post to your facebook group? We are discussing your
> posts here, in aapc. There are multiple examples in this thread alone.
> Even in that "critique" of my poetry that you keep reposting, you manage
> to call Will an illiterate, Zod homeless, and Jordy a pedophile. that's
> what you post here, that's what your NastyGoon used to post, and that's
> what your Chimp ended up posting here.

Again, I should like to point out that nothing of that sort occurs in
our FB group.

You may not care about what happens, or doesn't happen, there; but you
should take a good, long look at each of these groups and as yourself
*why*.

Why would Michael, NancyGene, and Jim participate in flame wars here,
but not in their FB group?

It seems that the problem isn't inherent in Michael, NancyGene, or Jim.


>> If the majority of my posts here are combative, we need to determine why
>> I should behave one way in the FB group, and the opposite way in the
>> Usenet one.
>
> That's easy enough to answer. In your faceook group:
> (1) the core membership is your Team Monkey allies;

Untrue.  Our "core membership" (by which I take it to mean our most
active participants) includes Louise Charlton Webster and Joseph
Danoski, neither of whom have ever posted here.


> (2) anyone new who joins the group believes that, and looks up to you
> as, the learned poet you've tried to pass yourself off as, and as
> newbies they aren't likely to challenge you

Where are you getting this from?  It would be fun to be some
pontificating poetic guru, but such couldn't be farther from the truth. 
Since you're unable to access our group, you appear to have created some
Bizarro World distortion of it that's apparently based on your equally
distorted perception of *this* group.


> (3) if despite (2) anyone does happen to challenge you, on anything, you
> don't even have to discuss it; you can simply kick them off the group.

I could, but I certainly would never do any such thing.


>> The obvious conclusion is that the members of the FB group limit their
>> discussions to poetry, whereas certain members of the Usenet group
>> insist on burying any poetry-related conversations under their own
>> self-serving spam.
>
> Sort of the reverse of Sherlock Holmes: "when you eliminate all which is
> both possible and likely, then whatever remains must be the truth."

Since I participate in the FB AAPC on a daily basis, whereas you have
been barred access to it, I should think that I were the only one of us
qualified to proffer an opinion as to what takes place there.

It is unnecessary to rule out the possible, the impossible, the
probable, or the improbable.  I'm there.  I am fully aware of what is,
and isn't, discussed there.

You, otoh, are not.



>>>> You felt that it
>>>> would be better used as a forum wherein members could exchange greetings
>>>> with "Jordy" twenty times a day, every day.
>>>
>>> Don't be such a peabrain, MMP. Jordy and I post to each other twice a
>>> month,
>>> at best. Otherwise our paths never cross; he doesn't start flame wars,
>>> or
>>> try to disrupt other threads. So whatever he does doesn't bother me; if
>>> he
>>> bothers you so much that you're still obsessing about him, bo back to
>>> your
>>> facebook group and gossip about him with someone who cares.
>>
>> Anyone still following Usenet AAPC is well aware that Jordy makes far
>> more than two posts a months -- they simply aren't directed to your
>> attention.
>
> And WTF does that have to do with my "feelings" about the group? If I
> felt that the group was the place to post greetings 20 times a day, I'd
> be posting greetings 20 times a day. Stop trying to tell me what I think
> or feel, when it's obvious bullshit (or, FTM, on the rare occasion that
> it isn't).

But I do know exactly what your feelings were, George.  Are you
forgetting that I was there?

I expressed my desire that the Usenet group be a place to discuss poetry
(as its name, "alt.arts.poetry.comments" implies).  I also explained how
dozens of "Hello" posts to "Jordy" everyday served no purpose other than
to drive anyone interested in poetry away from the group.

You stated that such posts didn't bother you, as you run a search for
posts where your name (or one of other people's names for you) came up. 
IOW: You only participate in discussions that concern you, your blog, or
your "Dancehall," and don't couldn't be bother with anything else that
took place here.

>> As to whether I'm "obsessing" over him, I no longer care what he does.
>> My greeting to him should show you that I'm perfectly fine with his
>> continued disruption of your group.  It only annoyed me while I was
>> still a member.
>
> Whether you're "obsessing' over him can be shown by how many times you
> keep entioning him, even though he's stayed out of this discussion
> completely.

You asked HTF I know your feelings regarding Usenet AAPC.  I brought up
the "Hello Jordy" posts as an example of how I know.

His posts were a major issue in the demise of Usenet AAPC.

I complained about them.  Others complained about them.

You, OTOH, ignored his posts, and supported his "right" to make
Off-Topic posts 24/7.

You made your feelings very clear.

>>>> Since Google abandoned the
>>>> platform, you won out by default.
>>>
>>> Yet here you are, caught sneaking back onto aapc under a new sock, and
>>> turning to your old tricks: gossip and flame wars. As I've told Jim
>>> before,
>>> your people are as bad as bedbugs; it's almost impossible to get rid of
>>> you.
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