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The Hafele-Keating HOAX, Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2024 18:26:34 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <6472b06483c1c6be6a757c97c09a9228@www.novabbs.com> References: <dad338831baa98f3eb1ca50452fd9401@www.novabbs.com> <9bc3264930082f0c676a0154f4a1fd76@www.novabbs.com> <kRUHO.792253$uQe3.45331@fx13.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="------------66f1b2d8d14113.42430386" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3181363"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="hWiuCAeR3KEZYJfTvV11n0qrRi6oqW/zjvEZQQGun9A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: f685b96694175b2ad43ead343ead0a9c0082fe88 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$qbgFt3ghMoUTjPWA56s/B.mDe8iLQT6I/6cT8L..jMWk9T77Ltt9m X-Received-Bytes: 38357 Bytes: 38478 Lines: 627 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------66f1b2d8d14113.42430386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are the segments of the eastward HK flights, in terms of Km/segment and Latitude-Longitude. According to Hafele, the calculations were done assuming a CONSTANT VELOCITY of the planes, and an average latitude of 34°. He also used an average ground speed of 243 meters/sec (Earth - plane). ******************************************************************** Km - Lat - Long - Segment 0 Km - 39,04822° - -76,43544° - Washington 5886 Km - 51,14078° - -0,67372° - Washington - London 642,74 Km - 50,11775° - 8,59071° - London - Frankfurt 1871,64 Km - 41,46251° - 29,38487° - Frankfurt - Estambul 1021,37 Km - 33,96526° - 35,36143° - Estambul - Beirut 1482,46 Km - 35,98159° - 52,06065° - Beirut - Teheran 2555,97 Km - 28,8678° - 76,67003° - Teheran - New Delhi 2912,83 Km - 14,37512° - 100,22471° - New Delhi - Bangkok 1717,18 Km - 22,69921° - 113,58409° - Bangkok - Hong Kong 2861,7 Km - 35,69659° - 139,28415° - Hong Kong - Tokyo 6200,21 Km - 22,37449° - -158,17372° - Tokyo - Honolulu 4134,87 Km - 34,4015° - -118,44716° - Honolulu - Los Angeles 1957,15 Km - 32,72876° - -97,22035° - Los Angeles - Dallas 1901,32 Km - 38,97539° - -77,09435° - Dallas - Wasgington ****************************************************************** BUT, as anyone can see on the graphic that I posted below, the flight path is anything but regular, at the average latitude of 34°. Now it comes about how to decompose each segment's flight, traced on a spherical surface, into its pure vertical and horizontal components. Consider this: 1) The horizontal segment. at a given latitude, has to account for the Earth's rotation speed MINUS the airplane's speed. 2) The vertical segment, at a given longitude, has to account ONLY for the rotational speed of Earth, as the plane's speed has zero influence on SR (are orthogonal). According to Hafele´s paper. he computed 41 hours of fligth at a constant speed, which gave 32,107.90 Km over an average latitude of 34°. Using Google Maps to build the data for the graphic, the DISTANCE they traveled in 41 hours is of 35,145.44 Km in a SPHERICAL SURFACE. Making gross calculations, the aggregated horizontal components (the only ones valid for SR) generate a theoretical time dilation VERY FAR from the Hafele's values. And, regarding the vertical components over a fixed longitude, they are normal to the horizontal flight path, and don't have to be considered for SR calculations, except for the time invested in that theoretical travel. Finally, considering that the above considerations have to be computed using SPHERICAL TRIGONOMETRY plus a decomposition of Earth's rotational speed at each microsegment, I conclude that THE MANIPULATION OF DATA (just for this) ia ENORMOUS and the results were achieved by using arbitrary hypothesis (hundred of them). That the final theoretical results presented a rather wide margin of errors is, for me, just a convenient cover-up for such GROSS experiment. One thing are theoretical error margins of +/- 15% (nice try), and another is to HIDE ERRORS ABOVE +/- 40%. If you have doubts, invest 10-15 hours working with the CORRECT theoretical calculations. 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