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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: NO ONE, by George Dance
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:03:28 +0000
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 13:54:24 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:36:52 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 1:37:30 +0000, MummyChunk wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:18:32 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:49:21 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka
>>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 10:30:12 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 3:56:39 +0000, Michael Monkey aka "HarryLime"
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> NO ONE
>>>>>>>>> by fake George Dance
>>>>>>>>> (in the style of George Dance)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No one
>>>>>>>>> accused you of
>>>>>>>>> plagiarism,
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> silly
>>>>>>>>> c*nt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please stop
>>>>>>>>> repeating your
>>>>>>>>> online friend's
>>>>>>>>> lie.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damn, George!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's so good that it's got me sorry that I banned you from AAPC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You banned me from aapc? Oh dear, whatever shall I do?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's absurd, a.a.p.c. is a Usenet newsgroup, Michael Pendragon aka
>>>>>>>>> Harry Lime has no control over it and can't possibly "ban"
>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please don't try to play dumb, Donkey.  You're more than stupid enough
>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a.a.p.c. was a Usenet newsgroup... until Will Donkey and his socks drove
>>>>>>>>> all of the group's members over to Facebook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, Peabrain. No, HarryLiar. aapc still exists as a usenet group. You're
>>>>>>>>> posting to it right now, you stupid c*nt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, George Dance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NEWSFLASH: Usenet is dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely untrue.
>>>>
>>>> How so?  "Argument’s an intellectual process. Contradiction’s just the
>>>> automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says."
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Usenet is a form of internet communication that pre-dated the World Wide
>>>>>>>> Web.  When the Web became a global phenomenon in the late 1990s, Usenet
>>>>>>>> became out-dated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It continued to exist for an increasingly small number of users who had
>>>>>>>> used it in the pre-WWW world, or who studied computer programming, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In 2001, Google created a "Google Groups" app that linked WWW
>>>>>>> users to
>>>>>>>> the Usenet groups.  This app was the only way that people who had not
>>>>>>>> used Usenet in the pre-WWW world had of discovering Usenet's existence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even with the Google app, the Usenet groups continued to dwindle is
>>>>>>>> size, leading to Google's abandonment of them last year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When Google pulled the plug, the majority of Google Group members sought
>>>>>>>> out other forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most of the Usenet a.a.p.c. members migrated to the Facebook a.a.p.c.
>>>>>>>> group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since the majority of the members are now there (myself, NancyGene, Jim,
>>>>>>>> Karen, Corey, Ash, Wenceslaus, Richard, Bob, ME), it *is* the a.a.c.p.
>>>>>>>> group.  You, your Donkey, Rachel, Jordy, and General Stink) are
>>>>>>>> stragglers who have been left behind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's as if a club had moved to a new address, and taken the majority of
>>>>>>>> its patrons with it -- while a handful of former members stubbornly hang
>>>>>>>> out in the club's former building (now abandoned).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now a.a.p.c. is a Facebook group.
>>>>>
>>>>> alt.arts.poetry.comments is and always will be a Usenet newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the blister in the world from Harry Lime aka Michael Pendragon won't
>>>>> change that fact.
>>>>
>>>> It's already been changed, Donkey.  75+ % of the group has left Usenet
>>>> for Facebook.
>>>>
>>>> alt.arts.poetry.comments may continue to exist as a social forum on
>>>> Usenet, but is, and in all probability shall remain, nothing more than a
>>>> forum in which to watch Will Donkey playing with his socks.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a facebook group that is named after aapc, here:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304
>>>>>>>>> - and at least one copycat group. But aapc is still a usenet group, and
>>>>>>>>> will be as long as there's a usenet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Usenet's a relic.  Your Facebook group is an offshoot from a relic.
>>>>>>>> There are few members at either -- and fewer members who are actually
>>>>>>>> poets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George Dance had been a member of the Facebook group, but he got himself
>>>>>>>>> banned.
>>>>>
>>>>> No surprise there with Michael Pendragon aka Harry Lime in charge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I haven't had to ban anyone else, Donkey.  Perhaps the problem is...
>>>> George.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, Lying Michael; I'm a member of both the usenet and facebook groups.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe you're referring to one of those copycat groups, where I wasnt
>>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Calling the Official AAPC Facebook Group a "copycat group" won't
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>> the fact that the majority of a.a.p.c. members are now posting there.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they're not posting here on the real Usenet newsgroup, founded back
>>>>> around 1998, they're not really on alt.arts.poetry.comments.
>>>>
>>>> Based on what logic?  A group is several people who have bonded together
>>>> (in this case, because they share a common interest in poetry).  The
>>>> group has moved to a different location.
>>>>
>>>> alt.arts.poetry.comments is no longer a group.  It's a location.  And
>>>> right now, it's looking like a ghost town.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A group is a group of people -- not a Usenet address or a Facebook page.
>>>>>>>> The group (the members of a.a.c.p.) has relocated
>>>>>
>>>>> The Usenet poetry newsgroups have had hundreds of poets come and go and
>>>>> return again.
>>>>
>>>> "Hundreds" seems like a slight exaggeration.  Based on what I've seen
>>>> from this group, I'd place the number (generously) around a dozen.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not just on a.a.p.c but also rec.arts.poems, alt.portry and other Usenet
>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Facebook page is okay but it's no replacement for Usenet.
>>>>
>>>> It certainly is, as it performs all of the same functions.  We can, and
>>>> do, post and discuss one another's poetry there.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I'll even go so far as to say that it's not only a replacement,
>>>> but an improvement on Usenet, since we're able to keep it Donkey free.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deal with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to deal with, if you prefer Facebook then go there, not a
>>>>> problem.
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