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In article <17c34d75f63bad6b$147543$2601257$eadde062
@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says...
> 
> Ted wrote:
> > Skeeter wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <egDPN.132661$_a1e.116264@fx16.iad>, ted.street@gmail.com
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> ratboy frogging Ted wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115
> >>>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In article <uuhjee$3ruce$1@i2pn2.org>,
> >>>>>>>>> ted.road@qmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>> <MPG.40749778856be9bb98978d@news.usenetexpress.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecuben
> >>>>>>>>>> et.c om>, precent@yohoo.not says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Why did the Romans crucify Jesus?  Because
> >>>> he had >>>>>>become >>>>>>>>>>>>    too woke.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1774230983350362304
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        --bks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is often emulated
> >>>>>>>>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but
> >>>> many >>>>>>of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large
> >>>> part of >>>>>>his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to
> >>>> mimic his virtues.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be considered
> >>>>>>>>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his
> >>>> attitudes >>>>>>regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> >
> >>>> especially radical, >>>>>>aligning less with the >>>>>>>
> >>>> conservative views of >> > many of >>>>>>his followers and more
> >>>> with >>>>>>> the far-left views we now >>>>>>call >> > communist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretations of Jesusâ??
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his
> >>>> economic >>>>>>ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of
> >>>> preserving >>>>>>capitalism.  >>>>>>> American history has given
> >>>> us >> > many >>>>>>examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations
> >>>> being used to excuse >>>>>>>>>harmful institutions >>>>>>> such
> >>>> as slavery and attempt to >>>>>>de-radicalize >> > the image of
> >>>>>>>>>>> popular figures such as >>>>>>Martin Luther King Jr. It
> >>>> is >> > only >>>>>>> responsible that >>>>>>we separate Jesusâ??
> >>>> relationship with money >> >>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>> that of any churches who stand to profit financially
> >>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations of his words.  >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      We can read stories about Jesusâ?? emphasis
> >>>> on >>>>>>communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like sharing meals and
> >>>> labor and >>>>>>starting the >>>>>>> tradition now >> > referred
> >>>> to as >>>>>>â??communion.â? We can also see >>>>>>> that he has
> >>>> a >> > >>>>>>particular interest in the needs of people who
> >>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>society would >> > rather abandon such as women
> >>>> who had >>>>>>> >>>>>>committed adultery and those >> > with
> >>>> leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>>>>disabilities.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> He tells his followers to >>>>>>forgive their debtors, that they
> >>>>>>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>>>>treasures on earth and
> >>>> that they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>>>>and money. In
> >>>> Matthew 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>>>>people using a
> >>>>>>> temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>>>>starts
> >>>> flipping tables.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>>>>man
> >>>> approaches him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells
> >>>>>>>>>> him to give up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>>
> >>>> money to >>>>>>the >> > poor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      â??It is easier for a camel to go through
> >>>> the eye >>>>>>of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is
> >>>> rich to enter >>>>>>the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,� Jesus said in
> >>>>>>> Matthew 19:24
> >>>>>>>>>> NIV.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      This notion that a rich person would have to
> >>>> stop >>>>>>being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is
> >>>> explicitly >>>>>>incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> >
> >>>> thinking. Why make >>>>>>people choose between >>>>>>> following
> >>>> him and pursuing >> > >>>>>>wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>>
> >>>> effects of wealth and hopes >>>>>>to >> > counteract them in some
> >>>> way >>>>>>> by encouraging an >>>>>>alternative lifestyle >> >
> >>>> among his followers?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Despite the context and direct nature of his
> >>>>>>>>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite
> >>>>>>>>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> >
> >>>>>>>>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>>
> >>>> possessions.  >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Under capitalism,
> >>>> interpretations favored by rich >>>>>>people are >>>>>>> given >>
> >>>>> more of a platform. This has >>>>>>created the exact type of
> >>>>>>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusâ??  >>>>>>fans that he devoted
> >>>> so much time to >>>>>>> warning against.  >> >>>>>>>His attempts
> >>>> to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often >>>>>>downplayed, and
> >>>> this >> > is interpreted instead as a story >>>>>>>>>>>>>about
> >>>> how nobody is perfect.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>    SIUE is
> >>>>>>>>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I
> >>>>>>>>>> sincerely hope will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this
> >>>> issue. All >>>>>>of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or
> >>>> otherwise, should >>>>>>question the >>>>>>> motivations of our
> >>>>>>> sources.  Information >>>>>>is never presented >>>>>>>
> >>>> without an agenda, and it >> > is >>>>>>alarmingly common for
> >>>>>>>>>>> information to be presented in >>>>>>deceitful >> > ways.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      An idea as simple as â??love your
> >>>> neighbors� can >>>>>>be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact
> >>>> opposite message.  I >>>>>>hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking
> >>>> to >> > understand Jesusâ??  >>>>>>words will think >>>>>>>
> >>>> critically about their own >> > >>>>>>ideologies as well and
> >>>> whether >>>>>>> they align more closely >>>>>>with the >> >
> >>>> whitewashed commercial >>>>>>> version that grants >>>>>>wishes
> >>>> or the radical >> > political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in
> >>>>>>>>>> the Bible.  >> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      nobody reads anything this long
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not to even start
> >>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>> it.  Very brief posts, otoh, almost always
> >>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>> read.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to learn.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, let alone
> >>>>>>>>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being
> >>>> taught?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the
> >>>>>>>>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the
> >>>> simple >>>>>>rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament.  He wants you to
> >>>> understand >>>>>>and follow him.  It is >>>>>>> your choice.
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