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On Tue, 14 May 2024 20:00:07 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 12:52 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> On Tue, 14 May 2024 01:50:13 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote at 00:25 this Sunday (GMT):
>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2024 14:16:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:33:22 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-05-09, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 May 2024 06:47:55 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 08:27:04 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think the most common complaint of people using Linux CLI or
>>>>>>>>>> GUI tools is that they look dated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Are they taking Microsoft, of all people, as arbiters of good
>>>>>>>>> taste?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are definitely more people out there who are fans of the
>>>>>>>> Microsoft aesthetics than there are people who appreciate the
>>>>>>>> dated interfaces of open-source software. All of them will admit
>>>>>>>> that the "ugly" software still does the job, but it appears that
>>>>>>>> the way a program looks is as important as whether it completes
>>>>>>>> the task.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't admit it. And I don't like the Windows "aesthetic." I do
>>>>>>> find it a bit amusing that Windows' users simultaneously claim
>>>>>>> that 1) Linux copies the Windows desktop and 2) It has a dated
>>>>>>> interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both are true, 1) Linux indeed copies features and aesthetics of
>>>>>> both Windows and Mac OS but 2) does a very poor job of getting it
>>>>>> right, in my cases. The lack of consistency is very noticeable, and
>>>>>> you'll have something like the default desktop of Ubuntu which
>>>>>> looks incredible...
>>>>>> until you open up a program which doesn't fit with the overall look
>>>>>> at all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Like Microsoft's own system apps that revert to some old-style GUI
>>>>> rather than the flat-ass Win 10+ interface?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or applications that provide their own window decoration no matter
>>>>> what OS they're on?
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, no one uses Windows' system apps. WordPad's lack of use,
>>>> in particular, is a shame. It really was more than most people
>>>> needed.
>>> 
>>> Notepad usually filled that need.. and it was the default. Though a
>>> random fun fact, WordPad is stored in Win32, making it technically a
>>> system-required app.
>>
>> Yet it is no longer going to be loaded onto computer using new Windows
>> 11 versions. I presure people will still be able to install it through
>> the Optional System Components or whatever it is called, but it won't
>> be there by default. You'll need to use the online office.com suite
>> instead. It is better, but your documents are stored on Microsoft's
>> servers, and you need to be online to use it... as far as I know.
> 
> 
> I'm sorry /what/.
> They're /removing notepad/?!
> That is the STUPIDEST THING THEY COULD DO!
> Absolutely ridiculous... how are you supposed to edit text files without
> wifi then??

WordPad, not Notepad. As limited as Notepad is, it's still useful enough 
to be kept around. WordPad is useful too, but I guess the statisticians at 
Microsoft noticed that most installations had either Microsoft Office or 
LibreOffice installed, rendering WordPad useless.