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On 5/20/2024 9:57 AM, john larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 24 23:57:56 UTC, NefeshBarYochai <void@invalid.noy>
> wrote:
> 
>> BY STEPHEN F. EISENMAN
>>
>>
>> For many people, the question is inflammatory. The crimes of the
>> German Nazis were of such magnitude that comparison with any other
>> historical violence is invidious. The genocide of the Jews was
>> deliberate and methodical and intended to eliminate every last one.
>> The goal was the same with the Romani and Sinti people. By comparison,
>> the Israelis – currently accused of genocide — are rank amateurs. They
>> have so far killed some 35,000 Palestinians in Gaza out of a
>> population of 2.3 million.
>>
>> But the question, “Can Jews be Nazis?” is nevertheless important for
>> challenging claims of moral inoculation by virtue of the Jewish
>> experience of the Holocaust. If Israeli leaders are indeed committing
>> a genocide in Gaza – as seems the case — they inhabit the same moral
>> universe as the German Nazis, regardless of the suffering of past
>> generations. In addition to the 35,000 killed, the war in Gaza has
>> injured another 75,000 and displaced 2 million. Most of the victims
>> are women and children – how can their deaths be justified? Israeli
>> cabinet ministers, Knesset members, military personnel, and police
>> have all freely spoken of their wish to force Palestinians into Egypt,
>> establish Jewish-only settlements in Gaza, and even use an atomic bomb
>> to kill everyone in the Gaza strip. (U.S. senator Lindsay Graham
>> recently also suggested using a nuclear weapon against Gaza.)
> 
> 
> At the end of WWII, German cities and industry were heaps of burnt
> rubble, much worse than Gaza today. Half of Germany was occupied by
> the USSR. About 6 million jews had been starved and gassed to death by
> the nazis. About 100 million people died in WWII.
> 
> Israel wants to survive and is arguably doing what it must do to
> survive. The bad guys aren't Israel, they are Iran and Hamas and the
> many other savages, kidnappers, bombers, and rapists.
> 
> The extreme islamists want to kill all the jews and take their land.
> The citizens of Israel of course object. Thay have atom bombs and
> havedn't used them, even after the drons attacks from Iran.

If heavily nuclear-armed nations still routinely feel in great danger of 
their sovereignty and land being taken then it's hard to know what else 
to do for them that could make them feel any safer.

> Long-term, Israel can't allow Iran to have nukes, because they know
> that Iran will use them on Israeli cities and welcome retaliation as
> blessed martyrdom.

Iran has probably noticed that no nuclear-armed state has ever been 
conquered, it's unclear if Israel knows.