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From: DFS <nospam@dfs.com>
Subject: Re: Why I won't run Windows on my Thelio
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On 5/29/2024 9:16 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 29 May 2024 18:49:40 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <6657b101$0$1245638$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> 
>> On 5/28/2024 11:49 PM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 23:17:32 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>>> <66569e4b$8$1258331$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 5/28/2024 11:12 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 22:26:01 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>>>>> <v363no$viqs$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/28/2024 10:24 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:17:06 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> <66568211$2$8094$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2024 2:50 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-28 9:34 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you bought a machine which was designed to run Linux,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't know there was such a thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does that mean Windows won't run on them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't want to try to run Windows on this system, unless it was
>>>>>>> in a virt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I don't want Microsoft to get its greasy fingers on my EFI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, it probably doesn't have drivers for the custom daughterboard
>>>>> that runs the cooling, and I'm not willing to spend the time to chase
>>>>> down Windows drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Third...there's no need.  The system is perfectly fine with what it
>>>>> has,
>>>>> and needs nothing that Windows has to offer.  If that changed, maybe
>>>>> I'd rethink it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the exact specs of the hardware?
>>> This is the 1.0 version, I have the 1.1 version:
>>>
>>> https://tech-docs.system76.com/models/thelio-mega-r1.0/README.html
>>>
>>> With a AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X.  256G of ECC memory.
>>>
>>> NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
>>>
>>> If the daughterboard isn't supported on Windows, all the cooling fans
>>> will run full-speed, which would be annoying.
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/system76/thelio-io-windows
>>
>> Now remove that Linux shit by slicking it with a Windows disk.
> 
> That would be a downgrade.
> 
>>
>> Enjoy good software and games for a change.
> 
> The software I use is more Linux-oriented than Windows-oriented.

Not understanding this.



>> Use WSL if you have a compulsion for a bash shell.
> 
> I would use Cygwin, if I wanted to downgrade.
> 
> 
>> Embrace Notepad++ and MS Office and
>> AIDA64.  Move out of the ghetto to the suburbs.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/ZhwJJLz
> 
> LOL.  "[TRIAL VERSION]".  Talk about "ghetto".


ha!

I just recently tried AIDA64 for the first time.  I'm trying to get them 
to sell me a one-PC license for $20.  The current license if 3 PCs for $60.

Even $20 is too much for a system info app that I'll barely use, but 
it's a masterful piece of software.  Too bad Linux has nothing 
approaching it.



>> Note: why did you buy such a powerful system?
> 
> Because I didn't want my system to be weak.  I wanted
> a workstation, not just a desktop.  (Even so, for a workstation,
> it's actually a little on the low-end.)

It's scary that you/others consider your system 'low-end'.  It's an 
incredible amount of computing power to have in front of you.

Looking at various 'workstations' online, the graphics card often makes 
up 1/2 the price.

Note: I wrote a python program to parse Usenet message files one at a 
time and add them to a SQLite relational db.  On my AMD 5600G/16GB 
memory system, the program never runs slower than ~200 posts PER SECOND.

If I run the program for N posts, then rerun it for the same N posts (eg 
after fixing a minor code issue), it will often run at 1200 to 2000 
posts per second.  I was shocked when I saw that.

I have to wonder what a system like yours would do.



> For example, I can use the ramdisk for images for virts.
> 
> I can also unpack sources on my ramdisk for faster compilation, and
> build them with "make -j 64".
> 
> I run games and stream them with obs-studio, which takes
> serious horsepower.  4K video is like that.  Also editing
> the video benefits from the extra horsepower.

So you paid $5K+ to record video gaming streams (not that there's 
anything wrong with that).

Aside: did you follow the demise of Artisan Builds computer builder? 
Their downfall began with the CEO making fun online of a Twitch streamer.

  > I also use Foocus for generative AI, text-to-image.

https://github.com/lllyasviel/Fooocus/releases/download/release/Fooocus_win64_2-1-831.7z



> Did you watch the video that rbowman posted?  Linus was surprised
> at the Linux performance of his little Thelio.  It beat MS Windows
> in many ways.

link please.  I'd like to see it.