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On 6/7/2024 12:41 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 11:18:54 -0400, bitrex wrote:
> 
>> On 6/7/2024 7:52 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On 7/06/2024 5:32 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
>>>>>> This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
>>>>>> Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over
>>>>>> a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
>>>>>> blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
>>>>>
>>>>> Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
>>>>> festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
>>>>> psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
>>>>> planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
>>>>> and should be locked away on the same basis.
>>>>
>>>> Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He
>>>> wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
>>>
>>> Hamas is definitely disagreeable. Cursitor Doom seems to think that
>>> there's something "neo-Liberal" about not liking murderous terrorists.
>>>
>>> We know he like preposterous conspiracy theories. Presumably he's got
>>> one about the murderous antics of Hamas.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bill Sloman, Sydney
>>>
>>>
>> North Korea, Russia, and China are looking on with envious eyes as to
>> how much firepower the US can help Israel put onto civilian targets,
>> they're like "Hey! that was supposed to be our job!"
>>
>> They're taking notes on the "advanced tactics" being used in Gaza such
>> as "Today's neighborhood is grid square E4, take a squad in there, kick
>> down the doors of every home and office and shoot anything that moves."
> 
> Well, it does kind of nullify America's moral authority!

America had moral authority? It probably peaked about 1865, if it did...

> Perhaps you can tell us why the US supplies all these armaments to Israel
> effectively for free?  I mean, supplying them at cost would be bad enough,
> given the purposes to which they're being put.

Geopolitical reasons, oil security, historical hedge against the 
Soviets, religious reasons, some combination.

It isn't entirely out of the goodness of our own hearts, that's for 
sure. But they're a heavily nuclear-armed nation that could wipe out 
every major city in the Arab world in an afternoon.

If Israel still feels routinely insecure despite this ability I'm 
unconvinced how much one more F-16 or 500 more tons of smart bombs is 
going to help make a fundamental difference in that.

I can understand why Iran isn't interested in a conflict right now 
they're probably all hands on deck trying to get their first atomic bomb 
test scheduled. Maybe the government of Israel just figures they'll 
fight a three-front war to nip that problem in the bud. I expect the US 
will be on the hook for the ammo for that one, too.

It'll be interesting to see how many gruesome little wars the US can 
provide the gear for simultaneously while its 900 year old leaders 
regularly mumble some variant of "well, you see all those foreigners 
hate us for our freedom" but when the foreigners keep finding "Made in 
USA" on the bomb fragments in what used to be their house..