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On 6/7/2024 6:35 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 6/8/24 00:15, bitrex wrote:
>> On 6/7/2024 5:01 PM, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:51:24 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message 
>>>> news:f7r66j9igh2jc9ndb8pj5vsc5310fbopvj@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
>>>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
>>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>
>>>>> Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
>>>>> consciousness, you can't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
>>>>> enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
>>>>> morality and justice come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper
>>>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
>>>>> possibly, genetic components.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
>>>>
>>>> https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM
>>>
>>> Gosh, what a jerk.
>>>
>>
>> Religion and atheism are probably somewhat tangential issues to the 
>> state of "being a jerk", which tends to develop based on experiences 
>> that begin in very early childhood, well before a person is able to 
>> grasp what either term means very well.
>>
>> That is to say I'm skeptical religion or atheism alone has the power 
>> to put the jerk in anyone who wasn't more-or-less already there, and 
>> I'm skeptical religion or atheism alone has the power to un-jerk 
>> anyone who showed up that way, already.
>>
> 
> Yes, that's probably true.
> 
> Who was it that said: "Kill them all, god will know his own!". Some
> -presumably religious- crusader commander? Now there's a jerk.
> 
> Jeroen Belleman

Incidentally, a significant amount of the rancor surrounding the debate 
on abortion hinges on the "nature" of the transition from not-life to 
life and from not-person to person.

Richard Dawkins pointed out that it doesn't make much logical sense to 
call a clump of cells a few moments after conception a "person" and it 
doesn't make much sense to call a baby 1 second before birth a clump of 
cells, but that implies there must have been an exact moment at some 
point over the 9 months of gestation that a transition from not-person 
to person occurred. Which also makes no sense.

Interestingly, there seems to be much less intense debate over the 
process of death, even though pretty much all the same conundrums with 
respect to binary transitions being nonsense happens there too, just in 
reverse order!

Anyway, in summary: Birth is nonsense. Death is also nonsense. Thank u 
for coming to my TED talk.