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From: joes <noreply@example.org>
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Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 12:58:07 -0000 (UTC)
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Am Fri, 14 Feb 2025 06:42:29 -0600 schrieb olcott:
> On 2/14/2025 3:36 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Thu, 13 Feb 2025 18:12:52 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 2/13/2025 8:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 13.feb.2025 om 13:31 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>> Am Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:18:32 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 2:05 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:19:11 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 9:23 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:38:37 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 2:48 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:46:21 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 6:52 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 06:02:48 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 5:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Sun, 09 Feb 2025 13:54:39 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote:

>>>>>>> Since there is a 5% chance that the treatment I will have next
>>>>>>> month will kill me and this treatment is my only good chance I
>>>>>>> will totally ignore anything that diverges from the point.
>>>>>> Ok, I will wait a month then.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone that knows the C language sufficiently well knows that DD
>>>>> correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, which shows the limitation of HHH which makes that it cannot
>>>> properly decide about its input, because  it must abort the correct
>>>> simulation before it sees that the correct simulation terminates
>>>> normally.
>>>>
>>> The correct simulation is only the one that it sees by definition. it
>>> maps ITS INPUT TO THE BEHAVIOR OF THIS INPUT.
>>> All of the people that think it should map the behavior of a non-input
>>> have always been wrong.
>> What is the non-input?
> 
> int main()
> {
>    DD();    // Is not an input to HHH
>    HHH(DD)  // Is an input to HHH
> {
Oh, but we’re not interested in the behaviour of HHH(HHH(DD)).

>> The input is DD, and its behaviour is that it halts.
>> HHH’s simulation is not correct by definition.
-- 
Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.