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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Muon paradox Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 19:19:38 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <668b88f413d247553a9ae39c0192fb20@www.novabbs.com> References: <d74079263e98ec581c4ccbdab5c5fa65@www.novabbs.com> <vsh92t$3mltr$1@dont-email.me> <vshbu0$3ojsg$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2714205"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$kFmGJyAlBrxZjepRf8MiGumoeZPQUEb3WPhfBSlMK3iwTKgqp4j2i X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 Bytes: 2709 Lines: 41 On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 18:44:39 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote: > Den 01.04.2025 19:56, skrev Paul.B.Andersen: >> Den 31.03.2025 22:40, skrev LaurenceClarkCrossen: >>> Do muons move at a different velocity in the laboratory than in the >>> atmosphere? >>> >>> "No, muons generally do not move at a different velocity in a laboratory >>> setting compared to their velocity in the atmosphere; they both travel >>> at speeds very close to the speed of light, typically around 99.8% of >>> the speed of light" - Google search AI. >>> >>> Then why would they "time dilate" in the atmosphere? >> >> The speed of muons is v = ~ 0.999668⋅c through the atmosphere >> which also is within the laboratory with open roof. >> γ = 38.8. >> >> The mean proper lifetime of a muon is t₀ = 2.2 μs. >> But measured in the Earth's rest frame the lifetime of the muon >> is tₑ = 2.2e-6⋅γ s = 85.36 μs (time dilation!). >> >> Since muons are created at a height ~15 km, and the time for >> a muon to reach the earth is t = 15e3/v = 5.005 s, >> then the part of the muon flux that will reach the Earth is >> N/N₀ = exp(-t/tₑ) = 0.556, so 55.6% of the muons would reach the >> Earth. >> >> If the lifetime of the muons had been 2.2 μs, > > If the lifetime of the muons had been 2.2 μs in the Earth frame > >> then the part of >> the muon flux that will reach the Earth would be: >> N/N₀ = exp(-t/t₀) = 1.32e-10. >> So only 0.0000000132% of the muons would reach the Earth. >> >> Can toy guess which of them is closest to what is observed? > > Can you guess which of them is closest to what is observed? >> Can you guess which muon lifetime is closest to what is observed?