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From: bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor)
Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: What is a photon
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 23:29:25 +0000
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 19:22:52 +0000, x wrote:

> On 6/4/25 08:45, rhertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 13:10:58 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> Den 03.06.2025 13:48, skrev rhertz:
>>>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:22:38 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Den 02.06.2025 05:16, skrev Bertietaylor:
>>>>>>> On 01/06/2025 12:46, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>>>> Den 01.06.2025 12:03, skrev bertitaylor:
>>>>>>>>> A photon is a brief electromagnetic wave pulse travelling a light
>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>> in the medium of aether.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Experiments show that the speed of light is invariant: [...]
>>>>>>>> How is that possible if light is waves in an aether ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speed of light has to be variant in the Copernican model. Light is a
>>>>>> wave. All waves need media to propagate. Light's medium is aether.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit confused, Bertietaylor?
>>>>> The Copernican model is wrong, the Sun isn't the centre of the
>>>>> Universe.
>>>>> And in 1543 Copernicus  knew nothing about the speed of light.
>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously meant to refer to the "Copenhagen interpretation",
>>>>> that is the interpretation of quantum mechanics given
>>>>> by Bohr and Heisenberg in ~1925.
>>>>>
>>>>> Modern quantum fields theories such as QED are based on SR.
>>>>> In QED light is a particle and the speed of light is invariant.
>>>>>
>>>>> But forget quantum theories, it is irrelevant to the question
>>>>> if the speed of light is invariant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many experiments are performed to answer the question.
>>>>> A few of them:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Kennedy_Thorndike.pdf
>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Michelson_1913.pdf
>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf
>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf
>>>>> https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> The result is that it is thoroughly confirmed that
>>>>> the speed of light is invariant.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul, retarded narcissist & relativist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Forget any local experiment (within the Solar System) about the
>>>> constancy of
>>>> the speed of light.
>>>
>>> Does that mean that you accept that light is invariant
>>> in the Solar system, but not outside our galaxy?
>>>
>>> BTW, "invariant" doesn't really mean constant,
>>> it means independent of frames of reference.
>>> For example: mass is invariant, but not always constant.
>>> (But the speed of light is constant _and_ invariant.)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Come here when you can show off with ONE EXPERIMENT AT GALACTIC
>>>> DISTANCE, like
>>>> OWLS or TWLS between some planet in a random star system at Andromeda,
>>>> to the least.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or get proofs for that assertion between another random planet at ESO
>>>> 6-1 or
>>>> NGC 5237, close to the Milky Way.
>>>>
>>>> WHAT? You can't wait some million years? No shit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then SHUT UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP, IMBECILE!
>>>
>>> Watch your blood pressure, Richard. :-D
>>
>>
>> THE SPEED OF LIGHT, ALONG THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, IS RANDOMLY VARIANT
>> (MAXWELL SAID THAT, WITH THE PERMITTIVITY AND PERMEABILITY SHIT),
>
> If you bothered to notice, the permittivity and permeability stuff
> even allowed a calculation of light speed.
>
> These and an array of other phenomena tend to give me the idea that
> it is very hasty to throw out all aspects of wave theory.  Rather
> something like the 'ether' may have something to do with space and
> time.  (Historically the term 'ether' was tossed out, but of course
> words can have different meanings.)
>
> To me, it seems best to keep it simple.
Which does not work when it is wrong and then for justification leads to
absurdities described by wrong theories backed by math mumbo jumbo.


 A 'photon' is an increment
> of energy or momentum transfer.

Certainly NOT as energy is a scalar. The energy obtained from a single
photon follows the inversae square law. Which has to happen as the
photon is an atomic-scale brief electromagnetic wave.

WOOF woof-woof woof woof woof-woof

Bertietaylor




This 'yes' or 'no' happening can
> also be tied to phenomena that obey Fermi-Dirac statistics (only
> one state allowed by way of the Pauli exclusion principle) to form
> 'matter' (it takes up space).  This also allows the 'orbitals' in
> 'chemistry' (cool and also 'nuclear physics' if you add 'strong' and
> 'weak' forces).
>
> These are not entirely obvious inferences but not everything is
> entirely obvious.
>
>  > ...

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