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Subject: Re: Word of the day: "ithyphallic"
From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Reply-To: jjlxa31@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 23:38:43 +0200
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Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, J. J. Lodder pointed out that ...
> > occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> >
> >> On 19/09/2024 06:59, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
> >>> Another one that stuck for me was "metic", "resident foreigner in a
> >>> Greek city state," apparently not related to meticulous.
> >> 
> >> Try 'hermetic' as a related concept. A 'foreigner' in ancient Greek was
> >> someone from another city state, even if that was a city in Greece.
> >> 'Greece' did not become an entity until much later.
> >
> > Depends on what you want 'entity' to mean.
> > Those ancient Greeks certainly saw themselves as a cultural entity,
> > with a shared language and culture. This extended to 'Greater Greece'.
> > It was only the narrow sense of a political entity that was
> > inconceivable to them,
> >
> > Jan
> 
> I have a better sense of how Egypt came to be a cultural entity than I
> do for Greece.  On the one hand, the political development of the 
> winning Pharoahs is easy to read about; on the other, my histories of
> Greece generally begin with the last king of Athens and the rise of the
> early democracy, which seems to be well after there were several 
> city-states that considered themselves to be Greek.

They had a common language and culture
well before Homer started writing it up.
The Mycenean Linear B script already contains archaic Greek.
(but unfortunately no literature)
Trade may be a better basis for a common culture than conquest,

Jan